Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Joel is better than Howard ever was. Galloway has serious promise. Stones is Martinez's player having never been used by Moyes. Barkley is Martinez's player having never really been used by Moyes. Deulofeu is a great signing. Lukaku is an amazing signing. Barry is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not. Besic has serious promise. McCarthy is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not.

He's built a very good squad. Yes, he's had some bad signings (Kone, I will not write Niasse off over a few substitute appearances even though he's looked bad and I really want to) but every manager does (Bilyaletdinov, Kroldrup etc.).

This is the best squad we've had in 20+ years. He's a good squad builder. That's it.

With Barry and Lennon (who were known quantities) as exceptions the rest of his signings are all potential or crap

Lukaku is fulfilling his potential. Can't say any of the others have yet. His ability to build a squad can only be judged in a couple of years.

Hard to justify calling Barkley Martinez player. He was on the fringes of the first team under Moyes and barring that bad injury would have been a lot more involved.

Stones I can't argue because the fact is he hasn't played for anyone else but my feeling is that he is being held back by Bobbys defensive failings and we are still only seeing the natural talent. Don't think he will improve under this manager.
 

Joel is better than Howard ever was. Galloway has serious promise. Stones is Martinez's player having never been used by Moyes. Barkley is Martinez's player having never really been used by Moyes. Deulofeu is a great signing. Lukaku is an amazing signing. Barry is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not. Besic has serious promise. McCarthy is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not.

He's built a very good squad. Yes, he's had some bad signings (Kone, I will not write Niasse off over a few substitute appearances even though he's looked bad and I really want to) but every manager does (Bilyaletdinov, Kroldrup etc.).

This is the best squad we've had in 20+ years. He's a good squad builder. That's it.
Individuals in it are great yes, that i can agree on. But in terms of building a squad you need a good idea of who will do what over a course of a season. We don't have that, who goes right back when coleman is injured? Not one of the other two right backs we own. Where does cleverley fit? Where does Besic actually play? Kone is a striker on the left hand side, in fact anyone on the left means we play without a left hand midfield. there is a fair few players who arent even considered for the team in there also.

this is what i mean about the squad mate, not that some of them are not good, just the whole squad has parts in it that have no place there, but they were still signed by Martinez.
 
Joel is better than Howard ever was. Galloway has serious promise. Stones is Martinez's player having never been used by Moyes. Barkley is Martinez's player having never really been used by Moyes. Deulofeu is a great signing. Lukaku is an amazing signing. Barry is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not. Besic has serious promise. McCarthy is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not.

He's built a very good squad. Yes, he's had some bad signings (Kone, I will not write Niasse off over a few substitute appearances even though he's looked bad and I really want to) but every manager does (Bilyaletdinov, Kroldrup etc.).

This is the best squad we've had in 20+ years. He's a good squad builder. That's it.

Keep telling yourself that.

Joel is not better than Howard ever was for crying out loud. Martinez cannot be given any credit for bringing Stones or Barkley to the club, simply because he didn't bring them to the club, end of. McCarthy is only a great signing if you want a midfield fit for midtable. Barry was a decent signing because he was free and is still easily our best midfielder. Deulofeu is so great that he is being kept out of the team by Aaron Lennon.

This isn't the best squad in over 20 years, it isn't even the best squad within the last 10 years!
 
is he though?
  • has three left backs, somehow plays a centre half there at the start of the season.

  • only three senior centre halves and one of them is technically still eligible to represent the under 21s.
  • One right back, one that is constantly injured and the third we seem to pay to go fishing these days.

  • Plays 2 holding and then tecnically we only have 2 replacements as we don't play Gibson.

  • We only play one winger and only have one left sided wide player, who doesn't even make the bench.

  • We have three strikers but don't actually play 2 of them.
If you look at our first team squad there are massive issues within it, even though martinez has bought in those areas. It is almost like he hopes that these untried young players are all going to come good for him at the same time.

And once again he came out with the same line in his press conference earlier, that each transfer window he has strengthened the squad! Which begs the question how has a squad that has been strengthened for five or six consecutive transfer windows gone from fifth to fourteenth, and could easily be worse again after the next two games!
Scary stuff!
 

West Ham probably isn't the best group of fans to ask. They're a fully mid-table club who will always act too big for their boots. If they're facing relegation, their fans will tell you they're mid-table quality. If they're mid-table, their fans will tell you they're European quality.

But, they've got the right kind of idea.

Its West Ham !?!! comparing them to us is like comparing a Ferrari to a unicycle with a flat tyre.

Not bothered at all They a re small time team thats getting cocky cause of the stadium we are all paying for

not even in the top 3 in London mate
 
Joel is better than Howard ever was. Galloway has serious promise. Stones is Martinez's player having never been used by Moyes. Barkley is Martinez's player having never really been used by Moyes. Deulofeu is a great signing. Lukaku is an amazing signing. Barry is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not. Besic has serious promise. McCarthy is a great signing whether you'd like to admit it or not.

He's built a very good squad. Yes, he's had some bad signings (Kone, I will not write Niasse off over a few substitute appearances even though he's looked bad and I really want to) but every manager does (Bilyaletdinov, Kroldrup etc.).

This is the best squad we've had in 20+ years. He's a good squad builder. That's it.

Just want to disagree full stop with your assertionthat Robles is better than Howard ever was. He's better now, but let's not forget that Howard was one of the best in the Prem and once kept 16 straight clean sheets. It's foolish to say Joel is better when he's played 1/3.
 
West Ham probably isn't the best group of fans to ask. They're a fully mid-table club who will always act too big for their boots. If they're facing relegation, their fans will tell you they're mid-table quality. If they're mid-table, their fans will tell you they're European quality.

But, they've got the right kind of idea.

Is right.

Why anyone would quote West Ham fans spouting that of type nonsense about EFC is beyond me.

Or fans of any team, comes to that.

They haven't even reached the semi final yet but have already informed the F.A. they don't need all of the ticket allocation they would have been allocated.

I can't remember how many times West Ham have dropped out of the big league Everton has inhabited all my lifetime and they were neither missed nor mourned.
 

No, I'd say Martinez has had plenty of money made available to him, but he hasn't built a great squad.
Have a look at these, there is an improvement.

http://toffeeweb.com/season/09-10/squad.php
http://toffeeweb.com/season/12-13/squad.php
http://toffeeweb.com/season/15-16/squad.php

Martinez has improved the squad over the time he's been here. Let's hope he or whoever is in charge in the summer brings in top quality players, the major investment you was talking about.
 
The call for white handkerchiefs, by Liam Seaman

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Well, it looks like we’ve finally gone into complete meltdown mode and if we’re all honest; it’s been coming for a while. After Martinez’ make-or-break week earlier in the season, which ended with a home defeat to Swansea in the league and a limp exit away to Man City in the league cup, everything has been pretty dire. Now, in the interest of fairness, I should say that the first half performance at the Britannia (handing us our first win of the season against a top-half side) and the FA Cup quarter final against Chelsea are particular bright spots in the memory, yet they provided nothing but short-lived relief from the chronic disappointment that is this season.

Things behind the scenes at the club appear to be very worrying indeed. Rumours of a player mutiny during a recent training session, with captain Phil Jagielka supposedly having lead the players off the field, smack of disharmony between the players and the methods used by the coaching staff. Furthermore, twice this season one of our most respected and seasoned professionals, Leighton Baines, has spoken to the press about his utter disappointment. He called into question the squad’s game management following the capitulation away to Chelsea, and most recently claimed a lack of chemistry is behind the team’s failings. Regardless of how much Roberto tried to backtrack and throw us off the scent during his presser, when a seasoned pro is airing his views to the media about such crucial matters, it becomes evident that the gaffer has lost the dressing room.

Roberto’s press conferences, which should provide fans with an insight into the goings on at the club, are becoming more and more incomprehensible, to the point that it is now difficult to watch them, whilst his excuses for our poor performances are becoming increasingly laughable; his latest excuse being the FA Cup, ironically the only thing that is still keeping him in a job. Not once has Roberto addressed his own failings, but unfortunately that seems to be the fundamental flaw in his management; he appears to be more interested in self-preservation and less interested in doing what is right for the squad and the club as a whole.

With his tenure at breaking point, and a large number of fans so over his bullshit that any attempt to regain their confidence would be futile, discussion has inevitably turned to what we as a fan base can do. There has been much talk across the various social media platforms about staging some form of protest against the current management team, with suggestions ranging from erecting banners, to hiring a plane, to even staging a full-on walkout at Goodison Park. However, there is an issue with these methods; they’ve all been done before. Banners and jeers are typically skimmed over by the media, and ever since the first walkout over ticket prices at Anfield, the novelty of such a protest seems to have worn off; Aston Villa’s walkout garnered almost no coverage whatsoever. It is originality that garners interest.

Any serious media scrutiny over Roberto Martinez’ mismanagement of this Everton squad has, much to the justified chagrin of our supporters, been conspicuously absent. That is why the originality of a protest has become a necessity. Give the media something original to talk about, and it brings the serious issues at the club to the foreground of national media conversation. Enter: The white handkerchief.

The tool of choice in Spanish football, for years utilised to demonstrate supporter disgust at current management. No need for boos that can be misinterpreted and turned into something else during a press conference, no need for banners that can make a fan base appear broken into factions and no need for walkouts that can make players feel at fault; just so simple an action as waving a white handkerchief that when performed by a whole crowd is truly impressively devastating. Last season at the Anoeta (Real Sociedad’s old-school stadium), I witnessed the Basque fans wave their white handkerchiefs alongside the roar of complete and utter disgust from the crowd when Jagoba Arrasate’s time at the club had come to an end in their eyes. It was extraordinary, and that is exactly what we need.

It’s time to give the manager a wake up call. Just imagine being stood on the touchline at Goodison, which is such an intense, impressive and domineering stadium in itself, and seeing waving white handkerchiefs stretching from the Gwladys Street all the way to the Park End. Imagine knowing exactly what it means. Imagine the emotions that it would conjure up. A gesture borrowed from your homeland and used by your supporters to show you’ve gone seriously wrong in your management. That would make the news.

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I think this is a very good idea.

It respects individuals opinions. If you are unhappy with the management / tactics etc, wave your white handkerchief.

If you don't want to protest, or disagree, then don't wave it.

It reduces all the in fighting between fans, and fans groups, and more importantly shows each one respect.

Great article Liam.
 
A wee article in the Daily mail today referred to the banners at Watford. Referene was made to the press conference that Everton fans were being won over by a smooth talking salesman!
 

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