Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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he needs telling there is a `phenonemal` job in spain with `incredible` players` with europes ` best defence` and spains `all time greatest player`
who has had the best `individual` season playing `assymetric` shapes with lots of team chemistry hopefully he will do one asap
 
Roberto's Dream said:
Can't argue with you on most parts but that Villa game was abit different in my eyes. I went myself and although we conceded (Oviedo? injured, cross came from that side) we didn't deserve to concede (or to put it better, Villa didn't deserve to score). And when they did, they had one extra chance after that and that was it. We looked like we could score at any point in that game, just took the foot off the gas at 0-3.

If we get the cup, I think he deserves at least till January. Just to see how the summer goes under Moshiri and the 'attraction' of Europa. If we get beat in the semi, as much as I do like him and want him to do well, I'll become Martinez out.
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Fair point on the Villa game, everyone comes away with a different perspective on these things.

But, at the end of last season, I ( hopefully, though the vaults may call me a liar ) said he deserved another season so we could see if his second season was just a blip, and we'd be closer to his first season at this time.

But you have to draw a line somewhere, and the temptation is to "just give it a bit longer to see if it improves", but that's partly down to fear of change. Good managers are more likely to move over the summer than they are at Christmas so, on the assumption that we're going to change, lets get on with it. A change might not work out, but I don't believe Roberto has in him what we need. Maybe, in the future, he'll learn from his mistakes, and getting the sack or departing on a "mutual consent" basis will make him step back a bit and realise that the world isn't perfect and you can't just setup to play beautiful football and expect results to follow, but I'd prefer it if he took that experiment somewhere else.

He really was a breath of fresh air when he came though, and that, and the fact that he's obviously talented makes me sad to say that he needs to go, but his flaws are just too big at this time
 
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We weren't that bad, but we weren't that good either. Which is why we're 15th.
Robles had chance to come for the ball but didn't
When not if now
 
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Woolly Blue said:
Fair point on the Villa game, everyone comes away with a different perspective on these things.

But, at the end of last season, I ( hopefully, though the vaults may call me a liar ) said he deserved another season so we could see if his second season was just a blip, and we'd be closer to his first season at this time.

But you have to draw a line somewhere, and the temptation is to "just give it a bit longer to see if it improves", but that's partly down to fear of change. Good managers are more likely to move over the summer than they are at Christmas so, on the assumption that we're going to change, lets get on with it. A change might not work out, but I don't believe Roberto has in him what we need. Maybe, in the future, he'll learn from his mistakes, and getting the sack or departing on a "mutual consent" basis will make him step back a bit and realise that the world isn't perfect and you can't just setup to play beautiful football and expect results to follow, but I'd prefer it if he took that experiment somewhere else.

He really was a breath of fresh air when he came though, and that, and the fact that he's obviously talented makes me sad to say that he needs to go, but his flaws are just too big at this time
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Agree with this, flawed manager way out of his depth, without Lukaku`s goals we would be staring at relegation.
Only can get worse with Martinez in charge sack him before the semi
 
kithnou said:
You've just written 3 beautifully worded paragraphs explaining your views brilliantly, and then I read this out of nowhere not expecting it coming....based on the rest of your post.
Why still on the fence in the poll?
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I'm a bit OCD like that and like things being nicely tied up, so a "No" vote would, for me, mean "Sack him now ffs", and I doubt that'd help, so I'd do it when the season's well and truly over. Ideally that'd happen in early June cos we're away as of the 1st for four or five weeks and could legimately swerve moderation duties ... I'm a bit ego like that :)
 

Woolly Blue said:
I'm a bit OCD like that and like things being nicely tied up, so a "No" vote would, for me, mean "Sack him now ffs", and I doubt that'd help, so I'd do it when the season's well and truly over. Ideally that'd happen in early June cos we're away as of the 1st for four or five weeks and could legimately swerve moderation duties ... I'm a bit ego like that :)
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Would never have guessed :)
I agree after the final game an agreed departure is the best course. But Mr Moshiri better be speaking with prospective replacements already.
 
This season like last, is a write off as far as the league is concerned. And as far as his first season goes, as has been said countless times before, that was down to Moyes's defensiveness resilience and Martinez flair. One thing in common with both appointments, it's Kenwright. We'll never do anything while his influence is at the club. He wanted Megson, before Walter Smith recommended Moyes. Think it's grim now? What if that had of transpired. Not worth thinking about. Kenwright brought nothing to the table as chairmen and don't forget he was there nodding along during the Johnson era too.

We have reasons to be optimistic however, FA Cup semi final, one thing Martinez is good at, is cup games which is why he was hired. And the prospect of real change in the summer. I'm personally not downhearted or apathetic about results, change is on the horizon, there's a train a comin'. Or a taxi will do, for both Kenwright and Martinez.
 
I'm anticipating reading a post that is completely out of sync with the situation, so much so it will have me checking the date to see what year the post was made, something so out of touch it will leave me flabbergasted. Then I'll look up see a lemon and think oh, never mind, he's bans been lifted.
 
Neiler said:
Yes I do and all that guff about paying your money and being entitled to an opinion is twaddle, media tripe. You pay what max 45 quid for a ticket, your not investing thosands of pounds, where does that sense of entitlement come from- what entitles fans to undermine the team?

In case you hadn't noticed in the past two seasons, booing players has undermined the development of some of our players on the ball and broadly at half time etc. We have a team that are awful at home - where we used to be unbeatable, in case you hadn't noticed and have one of the best away records in the league. Work it out.

Your badly hyperboling, presenting this Tedish behaviour as caring enough to do something, get a grip and read the last paragraph and look at exactly how fans and the culture of entitlement is contributing. It's divisive. Crisis that requires action? Yeah right, sorry I've been through Johnson, to many last day relegation battles, financial implosions - I won't be unfurling divisive banners or booing - at a mid table finish and the prospect of an Fa Cup final.
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I hate to break it to you but 14th isn't even midtable

We've slipped that low now
 

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