ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[DualityNSNO]

And go back to the manager (Pep) who has given him 5 starts this season.

Doesn't make sense.

From what they're being targetted with lately and bought so far (Matip and Grujic for a combined 6 million,one on a bosman) it looks like they have a plan in place for the players they are signing,no surprise the disjointed fragmented buying policy of the last few years came under British managers.

I see them being a perennial Champions league team under Klopp like the days of Benitez,who also bought players for a rigid system and never deviated from that,it brings continuity and cohesion in a team that becomes consistant every year.

Hahahaha what?

 

[malfosse]

Lads, I'm claiming the head of @bluesince68 So hands off.
I already have a place for it.

 

[catcherintherye]

The two masturbatory cell mates of Hannibal Lecter are in bile mode on RAWK. Apparently they've taken umbrage over GOT members discussing our new financial flush. Hilariously, they seem to equate their own thick obtuse way of thinking as still being superior to ours. Judging by how they've been taken to the cleaners financially by the cowboys they heralded at first like Palm Sunday, and are still being conned ticket wise by the new "brand", their hypocrisy is at least consistent in that it knows no limits in terms of making themselves look very stupid.

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Re: Farvel Steiner. Incestious Sleuth of Lies. Caution may contain n̶u̶t̶s Everton.
« Reply #20367 on: Today at 12:19:55 AM »

Quote from: Crosby Wych on Today at 12:04:52 AM
Haha I love how the obvious driving force is "SO IT'S BIGGER THAN THE REDSHITES".
No idea who they think this bloke is, do they really think he'll put down £350m+ (over 25% of his total net worth) into a new state of the art stadium, massively in excess of what they need, just so they can sell cheap tickets? They need to live in the real world. The reality is it'll be more like Leicester or Southampton's, a generic bowl.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the new one ~40,000 with future potential to expand. And ticket prices will probably increase along the nice seats on the side

thing is most of his worth will be tied up in investments and the like, they all seem to think he can just log onto hsbc.com and see a balance of £1.3bn that he can do with whatever he wants at the click of a button, and yeah there's no way that new stadium will be solely funded by him, although seeing as they're meant to have mortgaged the f*** out of everything nailed down how can they get the credit for a new stadium? Never mind if they went over 60k wouldn't there be traffic related issues they have to deal with, after all we seem to be unwilling to go over 60k as we'd have to pay for road/rail improvements (and of course they could piggyback off this, being the f****** minge bags that they are), could explain why Spurs/West Ham/Arsenal are sticking to 60k, city as well going up to 60k soon

I really hope the little lurking rats are on here and get to read this again.

What they seem to forget is that the 1.3 billion estimate is the most conservative of estimates that have been given. Most have indicated he has significant investment on top of the 1.3 billion, most say the 1.3 billion has grown substantially since it was quoted. Some estimated the base figure at well over 2 billion.

The 1.3 billion is based on a very conservative American guess, who have openly acknowledged that that they don't have an awful lot of knowledge of Moshiri's wealth and so have had to estimate it at the lowest possible level, based on just 1 company not the other holdings he has shares in.

Suffice to say, anyone with even half an ability to decode information from more than one source in a somewhat critical manner can see he is an exceptionally wealthy individual, far beyond their own board. This worries them and is what underpins the anger and nonsensical ramblings about 40k stadiums.

I have not even got into the possibility of bringing on board other partners with who'm he networks regularly. That will make their heads explode.

Just for simplicity, as it's all they understand.
1) We have every chance of having a bigger stadium than them. It will be a far advances stadium while they are stuck playing at, lets be frank in terms of modern stadia for big clubs, a century old shithole. I will enjoy seeing them try to justify that dump as better than a new 60k stadium.

2) We will the wealthiest club in merseyside.

3) In recent years the two clubs finishing positions have been quite close (neither have won anything of major note in a decade) and in the last 4 years both sides have finished above the other twice). With potential investment we could again overtake them.

In all honesty none of this really matters. We are in the grand stage now with a multi-billionaire investor who was on the board at a club that now pisses all over LFC in terms of size. LFC are no longer a measuring stick for us. They are 9th, which I am sure will celebrate as like winning the league as they are above us. If we were above them an 8th it would still be majorly disappointing.

The panic is setting in. This will be amplified majorly if we win the cup. You are talking about majorly bitter people who sing songs about people dying on planes and go into their supporters ends to get involved in punch ups. There will been class response from them. Sit back and enjoy the fume.

 

[Donald Twain]

There's blood in the air!!!

Eh?

 

[FisherEFC]

Just imagine if:

1. We win the FA Cup

2. Regardless of outgoings we spend £100 million+ in the summer on players like Yarmolenko and Bony

3. We win the community shield against Leicester/Spurs.

The Kopites would be suicidal and that's not including us having EL football whilst they wouldn't/possible new stadium news in the coming months.

 

[ste d' indica]

Eh?

 

[Sapie88]

Eh?

Get him Donald.

 

[Goat]

Just imagine if:

1. We win the FA Cup

2. Regardless of outgoings we spend £100 million+ in the summer on players like Yarmolenko and Bony

3. We win the community shield against Leicester/Spurs.

The Kopites would be suicidal and that's not including us having EL football whilst they wouldn't/possible new stadium news in the coming months.

If we bought Bony it wont only be the kopites that are suicidal, hes utter rank.

 

[Donald Twain]

Get him Donald.

Normally I would but he has a gun!

 

[d34noj]

I really hope the little lurking rats are on here and get to read this again.

What they seem to forget is that the 1.3 billion estimate is the most conservative of estimates that have been given. Most have indicated he has significant investment on top of the 1.3 billion, most say the 1.3 billion has grown substantially since it was quoted. Some estimated the base figure at well over 2 billion.

The 1.3 billion is based on a very conservative American guess, who have openly acknowledged that that they don't have an awful lot of knowledge of Moshiri's wealth and so have had to estimate it at the lowest possible level, based on just 1 company not the other holdings he has shares in.

Suffice to say, anyone with even half an ability to decode information from more than one source in a somewhat critical manner can see he is an exceptionally wealthy individual, far beyond their own board. This worries them and is what underpins the anger and nonsensical ramblings about 40k stadiums.

I have not even got into the possibility of bringing on board other partners with who'm he networks regularly. That will make their heads explode.

Just for simplicity, as it's all they understand.
1) We have every chance of having a bigger stadium than them. It will be a far advances stadium while they are stuck playing at, lets be frank in terms of modern stadia for big clubs, a century old shithole. I will enjoy seeing them try to justify that dump as better than a new 60k stadium.

2) We will the wealthiest club in merseyside.

3) In recent years the two clubs finishing positions have been quite close (neither have won anything of major note in a decade) and in the last 4 years both sides have finished above the other twice). With potential investment we could again overtake them.

In all honesty none of this really matters. We are in the grand stage now with a multi-billionaire investor who was on the board at a club that now pisses all over LFC in terms of size. LFC are no longer a measuring stick for us. They are 9th, which I am sure will celebrate as like winning the league as they are above us. If we were above them an 8th it would still be majorly disappointing.

The panic is setting in. This will be amplified majorly if we win the cup. You are talking about majorly bitter people who sing songs about people dying on planes and go into their supporters ends to get involved in punch ups. There will been class response from them. Sit back and enjoy the fume.

I read somewhere that the 1.3bn was an old estimation - and with all investments is worth close to 3bn? I'll try and find where it was from

 

[peteblue]

He may of started 32 games but at Dortmund he would of played about 50 odd if he had stayed. Bayern had and still has a very strong team in recent years, jumping to Bayern when they had Lewandowski, Robben, Ribery and such class in midfield gave me the impression he wouldn't play as much. I think as a result his stock has taken a small hit compared to if he had stayed at Dortmund.
One thing I do agree on however is Pep's weird sort of messing around with the team, im pretty sure I seen Europe's best left back in alaba playing centre midfield a couple of weeks back ?

Either way I think Liverpool will have a world class talent on their hands if they do get Gotze.

Tbf, all of their players are world class according to them......

 

[catcherintherye]

I read somewhere that the 1.3bn was an old estimation - and with all investments is worth close to 3bn? I'll try and find where it was from

In all honesty it is very difficult to put any accurate figure on it. Russian companies are what could be best be described as murky and yes the 1.3 billion is dated, with inflation as it has been that will have seriously grown.

3 billion seems a more accurate measure though some of that/more will be tied up. Suffice to say he is significantly more wealthy than the openly conservative estimates have him. For LFC all they need to know, is even on cautious estimates blows their ownership out of the water.

 

[peteblue]

In all honesty it is very difficult to put any accurate figure on it. Russian companies are what could be best be described as murky and yes the 1.3 billion is dated, with inflation as it has been that will have seriously grown.

3 billion seems a more accurate measure though some of that/more will be tied up. Suffice to say he is significantly more wealthy than the openly conservative estimates have him. For LFC all they need to know, is even on cautious estimates blows their ownership out of the water.

Who cares. It's not about what the man himself puts in, I can't imagine that John Henry has dipped into his bank account. Its all about the business acumen he brings, and his ability to bring in other people. This 'my wallet is bigger than your wallet' is just stupid. Our new man will change the club, finance as required and bring in whoever he believes will help him to grow it. The only monetary issue is that he has an awful lot more money than the previous owners......

 

[ste d' indica]

Got one in the pub as we speak. Absolutely clueless. Is telling his mates he'd be quite happy to play a weakened side on Saturday so they can concentrate on winning the Europa League... because they are clearly favourites, I quote: "I just can't see anyone else winning it" lol

 

[bluesince68]

In all honesty it is very difficult to put any accurate figure on it. Russian companies are what could be best be described as murky and yes the 1.3 billion is dated, with inflation as it has been that will have seriously grown.

3 billion seems a more accurate measure though some of that/more will be tied up. Suffice to say he is significantly more wealthy than the openly conservative estimates have him. For LFC all they need to know, is even on cautious estimates blows their ownership out of the water.

Do owners of major clubs really spend their own money though in this day and age in football,City even though they have a owner worth 20 billion pounds, they are spending within their means now through turnover,yes its boosted by AbuDhabi commercial deals and stadium expansion but you can be sure Shiekh Mansour isn't dipping into his own pocket funding their annual huge summer sprees like the 1st few years of ownership.Same with Chelsea,Abramovich hasn't dipped into his own pocket in years according to journos,they are spending through their means in the turnover as he has changed the club from relying on him for funds to the club being self sufficient.Since FFP has been born clubs have a remit now to spend within their own means,PSG and City were fined 45 million euros ( was reduced to 15 million each after appeal) each 2 season ago for breaching that by not spending within their means (outside cash influx both clubs did in 2013 summer spree) and breaking an FFP rules.

The pissing contest of my owner is richer than yours is dead,it's all about growing turnover that equates to more spending power,the way to get ahead in football now is to expand Commercially,match day revenue,merchandise and tv revenues (PL and the bonus golden CL tv money),have that magic number turnover of 300-400 pounds then spending 100 million plus every summer is easily done if the turnover is in that bracket and that is why owners today who's clubs hit that mark do not have to breach FFP rules by outside influxes of cash propped up by the owners.

The benchmark team to copy in that regard is Bayern Munich,they play in a small market league that isn't quite big around the world and only get 30 million pound per year in Bundesliga tv revenues,they by definition are the biggest club by far in Germany but by size in world football the fanbase would be lucky to be in the top 10 amongst the El classico teams and about 6 PL teams and Juventus who have 80% of Italy supporting them who make the top 10.Also the matchday revenues at Bayern are not big as season ticket costs around 150 euros a year and matchday tickets are alot lot cheaper than a premier league game.The last turnover results for Bayern were 417 million pounds and their commercial revenues were £213 million pounds,the club is split into 2 with a sporting and business structure and no side interferes with the other,they are different entities working for the same goal making Bayern stronger on and off the field.I saw a interview a few months ago with Bayern Chairman Karl Heinz Ruminegger on Bloomberg tv and he went into great detail about how the club is run on and off the field.Yes beating 217 million pounds commercially is practically impossible they get the cream of german companies sponsoring them,but to narrow the gap the TV revenues dwarf bayern's with the new Tv deal coming into effect next season,but it shows getting commercial deals and building a merchandising operation to get to the 300+ magic number is feasible with the right operation.

Anyway here is a indepth look at Bayern Munich figures.