New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[JordanianEmbassy]

Someone please make a sticky or thread mark explaining that it isn't as simple as building more seating or expanding the stadium. It would help a lot of blues understand the gravity of the situation better.

Actually the opposite needs to be done. The volume of ill informed posts talking about how re-developing Goodison is either nearly impossible, or cannot be done without any land take on the current footprint etc massively outweighs the number of posts to the contrary.

 

[Jxg]

Actually the opposite needs to be done. The volume of ill informed posts talking about how re-developing Goodison is either nearly impossible, or cannot be done without any land take on the current footprint etc massively outweighs the number of posts to the contrary.

Incorrect.

It is not financially viable, and barely structurally possible, to redevelop Goodison to a sufficient extent. We need more than just seating. We need executive boxes. We need to remove all restricted viewing. We need better in-stadium facilities. We need better stadium safety and accessibility measures. We need improved fan zone facilities. We need land around Goodison for commercial possibilities and hell, we could even do with having more space to park cars.

We just can't do that by redeveloping Goodison. It's not realistic.

 

[Ralphie Boy]

Unless we redeveloped GP into the mother of all stadiums we would still have the shoites huge stand and eventually stadium overlooking ours, is this what people really want?

We have to get away, find ourselves a new identity, preferably in the docks or city centre and push ourselves as the stadium to visit for the non supporting visitors to our city such as the cruise liners or people who are visiting the the beatles etc.

 

[St James the Less]

Unless we redeveloped GP into the mother of all stadiums we would still have the shoites huge stand and eventually stadium overlooking ours, is this what people really want?

We have to get away, find ourselves a new identity, preferably in the docks or city centre and push ourselves as the stadium to visit for the non supporting visitors to our city such as the cruise liners or people who are visiting the the beatles etc.

I don't need or want a new identity, ta. Once a blue etc......

 

[Deleted member 24970]

Yes, reclaim our previous home, burn it, level it, fumigate the area and build a shiny new one.

Burn it ? I assume you meant just the park area and not analfield itself ? Sod it burn it all !!!

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Debates whether to bite or not.............. ok why not just for fun Funnily enough you've proved my point already!

Incorrect.

Nope

It is not financially viable,

Nor was building a new stadium until a few weeks ago

and barely structurally possible, to redevelop Goodison to a sufficient extent.

Wrong. Sorry.

We need more than just seating.

Correct

We need executive boxes.

Agreed. The extensive documentation (eg by Tom Hughes and Trevor Skempton) show various ways of adding this

We need to remove all restricted viewing.

Well we need to remove alot of it - Many would be in favour of keeping the Bullens Road as a heritage stand. And removing most of it from the main stand would be relatively straight forward.

We need better in-stadium facilities. We need better stadium safety and accessibility measures. We need improved fan zone facilities. We need land around Goodison for commercial possibilities and hell, we could even do with having more space to park cars.
We just can't do that by redeveloping Goodison. It's not realistic.

It is realistic and the plans have been there for years to show how. There are also other factors to consider like preserving (to some extent) the first ever purpose built football stadium in the country.

Once all the options have been weighed up we might still end up going for a new build, and if we do, fair enough! But both options are genuine possibilities.

 

[Jxg]

Debates whether to bite or not.............. ok why not just for fun Funnily enough you've proved my point already!


Nope


Nor was building a new stadium until a few weeks ago



Wrong. Sorry.


Correct


Agreed. The extensive documentation (eg by Tom Hughes and Trevor Skempton) show various ways of adding this


Well we need to remove alot of it - Many would be in favour of keeping the Bullens Road as a heritage stand. And removing most of it from the main stand would be relatively straight forward.



It is realistic and the plans have been there for years to show how. There are also other factors to consider like preserving (to some extent) the first ever purpose built football stadium in the country.

Once all the options have been weighed up we might still end up going for a new build, and if we do, fair enough! But both options are genuine possibilities.

I don't appreciate being talked down to in a demeaning, sarcastic and belittling tone. Either you reply to this post with manners or you can avoid replying at all. A forum is for both fun and intelligent debate, you are providing neither.

Saying it is not financially viable is not the same as saying we cannot afford it. Of course, we can afford it now. It's not viable though. It isn't worth the money in comparison to building a new stadium.

It is barely structurally possible to redevelop Goodison sufficiently. You can't just say "wrong" without proving otherwise. The burden of proof is not on me here.

There are tenfold more positives for building a new stadium than there are for redeveloping. The main argument for staying at Goodison is "history", which is emotional and therefore not something to base a decision on at all. Someone here said 'make history, don't be confined by it' and I can't think of anything else more appropriate than that.

 

[The_La]

http://www.liverpoolconfidential.co...n-fc-reveals-new-goodison-on-walton-hall-park

Probably been posted but thought the Bill Kenwright comments are worth reading again. Elstone and Everton worked on the posssibility, according to Elstone, without the assumption of takeovers or investment into the club. Now we have Moshiri and now the council will quite probably help too. Kenwright and Woods have funds to invest and posssibly Earl even though he's sold his shares. This could be completed within two seasons I'd hope.

It is very important that Everton fans are encouraged for their ideas and desires regarding a WHP stadium.

Can't say too much, but from what I've heard WHP is not going to happen and may be announced as such within the next few weeks.
There is another site Everton are now pursuing but it's at an early stage. Suffice to say Everton are keen on it and it would solve a problem for the Council too.

 

[blulouie]

Debates whether to bite or not.............. ok why not just for fun Funnily enough you've proved my point already!


Nope


Nor was building a new stadium until a few weeks ago



Wrong. Sorry.


Correct


Agreed. The extensive documentation (eg by Tom Hughes and Trevor Skempton) show various ways of adding this


Well we need to remove alot of it - Many would be in favour of keeping the Bullens Road as a heritage stand. And removing most of it from the main stand would be relatively straight forward.



It is realistic and the plans have been there for years to show how. There are also other factors to consider like preserving (to some extent) the first ever purpose built football stadium in the country.

Once all the options have been weighed up we might still end up going for a new build, and if we do, fair enough! But both options are genuine possibilities.

Think we've already debated redevelopement to the max here mate.

The same questions remain unanswered .

If all the obvious problems were to be overcome ....planning permission ,compulsory purchase, team relocation whilst construction takes place, massive loss of matchday income , dramatic drop in fan numbers if done a stand at a time.Timescale even after all the red tape would be a further 4/5 years so could end up between 7 to 10 years.

Tom Hughes & Trevor Skempton have only gave an option , but not reckoned on the miriad of problems that go hand in hand on a construction this size & timescale.

Derelict / Unused land earmarked for development is by far the better option, possibly 2/3 yrs and no disruption to the team , residents or matchday revenue.

 

[blulouie]

Can't say too much, but from what I've heard WHP is not going to happen and may be announced as such within the next few weeks.
There is another site Everton are now pursuing but it's at an early stage. Suffice to say Everton are keen on it and it would solve a problem for the Council too.

Hearing something very similar.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

I don't appreciate being talked down to in a demeaning, sarcastic and belittling tone. Either you reply to this post with manners or you can avoid replying at all.

Sorry mate we're suffering from written word on the internet not properly conveying intention. If I offended you I apologise.

A forum is for both fun and intelligent debate, you are providing neither.

I find that deeply ironic.

Saying it is not financially viable is not the same as saying we cannot afford it. Of course, we can afford it now. It's not viable though. It isn't worth the money in comparison to building a new stadium.

The highlighted bit confused me a bit. Slight straw man?? I know I certainly didn't say it was the same. Anyway..... surely a few weeks ago neither option was viable or affordable. Now maybe they both are.

It is barely structurally possible to redevelop Goodison sufficiently. You can't just say "wrong" without proving otherwise. The burden of proof is not on me here.

Are you serious? You're original post which I replied to didn't provide any proof whatsover, yet you were directly contradicting the opinions of professionals.

There are tenfold more positives for building a new stadium than there are for redeveloping. The main argument for staying at Goodison is "history", which is emotional and therefore not something to base a decision on at all.
Someone here said 'make history, don't be confined by it' and I can't think of anything else more appropriate than that.

Its not the only argument and also not the only one that the decision would be based on. There are pros and cons of both.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Think we've already debated redevelopement to the max here mate.

Totally agree

The same questions remain unanswered .

If all the obvious problems were to be overcome ....planning permission ,compulsory purchase, team relocation whilst construction takes place, massive loss of matchday income , dramatic drop in fan numbers if done a stand at a time.Timescale even after all the red tape would be a further 4/5 years so could end up between 7 to 10 years.

Tom Hughes & Trevor Skempton have only gave an option , but not reckoned on the miriad of problems that go hand in hand on a construction this size & timescale.

An option????? They have given many options. And the questions don't remain unanswered at all. Anyone discussing redevelopment seriously considers all those things.

Skempton redeveloped St James Park. He has in depth knowledge about the "miriad of problems that go hand in hand on a construction this size & timescale."

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Hearing something very similar.

Same here.

 

[Jacko93]

I don't appreciate being talked down to in a demeaning, sarcastic and belittling tone. Either you reply to this post with manners or you can avoid replying at all. A forum is for both fun and intelligent debate, you are providing neither.

Saying it is not financially viable is not the same as saying we cannot afford it. Of course, we can afford it now. It's not viable though. It isn't worth the money in comparison to building a new stadium.

It is barely structurally possible to redevelop Goodison sufficiently. You can't just say "wrong" without proving otherwise. The burden of proof is not on me here.

There are tenfold more positives for building a new stadium than there are for redeveloping. The main argument for staying at Goodison is "history", which is emotional and therefore not something to base a decision on at all. Someone here said 'make history, don't be confined by it' and I can't think of anything else more appropriate than that.

Truth here mate is that he seems to of done all of this while being wrong on much of it.

 

[TheFinnFan]

It's not viable though. It isn't worth the money in comparison to building a new stadium.

Thats the bottom line imho