The EU deal

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The Esk said:
The point is that if the UK economy catches a cold the poor catch the flu. People on the margins and those reliant upon Government support always suffer worst in an economic downturn - that's not a political statement it is fact born by the evidence of each downturn through the 20th and 21st centuries.

There is no evidence to suggest we can make good the trade shortfall, the reduction of new investment, the withdrawal of investment capital and the relocation of existing businesses which would inevitably follow us leaving the EU.

This (Brexit) is not driven by economic argument let alone conviction, it is driven purely by political dogma.

The EU is not perfect but life for the average Brit will be significantly worse on the outside than remaining within.
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Why are you assuming an economic downturn. I read an excellent article by Alex Brummer the other day on the strengths of the City of London and Brexit. He had moved from a position of it's nice to be in Europe to one of no harm will come to us outside and indeed we will prosper. Of course it's just views.....

You keep saying there is no evidence of how to make good a trade shortfall, yet provide no evidence that trade will actually suffer, only supposition....

In respect of the poor catching the flu, have you seen how the EU is helping Spain and Greece.....

I don't even think that we will leave the EU, but if we vote to leave that will shake them up, if we vote to stay in then we become a pure cash cow.........
 

Bruce Wayne said:
You don't like immigration. Why do you think people travel thousands of miles to come to Britain? Do you reckon they'd do the same if they had decent prospects at home?
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I'm not getting suckered into that debate again.
All the EU money that funded the Celtic tiger came from other taxpayers in the EU and there are very few nations propping up the rest the UK is one.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
A strong Ireland and a stable Europe is best for the UK though isn't it? Surely there comes a time when we have to learn from our history?
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My point being that the ramifications for the Irish Republic have no bearing on our vote regarding Brexit. I agree it could be terrible for them, but that's what they voted for......
 
chewee said:
Unelected officials have significant power in the UK, Blair often bypassed his own cabinet in favour of them.

The current govt 'special advisors' wage bill has increased by £6 million since 2010. Whitehall is packed full of civil servants who yield significant sway regardless of who is in government. So let's not pretend a cut from the EU will in instantly solve all our 'democracy' problems. The background of the higher ranking officials...well you can probably guess.
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In Europe our votes just do not count. I am not talking about advisors. The President of the European Council, is a man who was absolutely rejected by the UK, but foisted into place anyway. That's fine, they are the rules, BUT not one single voter in the UK gets a say in the matter. If you are happy with that, then fine, I'm not.........
 

chicoazul said:
This outlines the difference, you're focused on the benefits to corporations. I'm more concerned with the benefits to the working and the weakest.

It's an ideological fence we will never cross.

Pray do tell me why any self respecting scouser would align themselves with Boris Johnson, the UKIP or the Daily Mail?

There's a good reason for that. Scousers don't do knobheads and have compassion for others.
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That's right mate, you should align yourself with David Cameron and Teresa May......I knew you'd see the light......
 
peteblue said:
My point being that the ramifications for the Irish Republic have no bearing on our vote regarding Brexit. I agree it could be terrible for them, but that's what they voted for......
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But they do, or at least they should do. Are we to believe that how Assad behaves in Syria has now impact upon Britain or Europe? I would hope we would be a bit wiser than that. In a globalized world, what we do has a big impact on the rest of the world, which then has a big impact back on us. It's dangerous to regard this decision as living in isolation.
 
peteblue said:
In Europe our votes just do not count. I am not talking about advisors. The President of the European Council, is a man who was absolutely rejected by the UK, but foisted into place anyway. That's fine, they are the rules, BUT not one single voter in the UK gets a say in the matter. If you are happy with that, then fine, I'm not.........
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And the Tories are the ones who want to protect the House of Lords!
 

Bruce Wayne said:
But they do, or at least they should do. Are we to believe that how Assad behaves in Syria has now impact upon Britain or Europe? I would hope we would be a bit wiser than that. In a globalized world, what we do has a big impact on the rest of the world, which then has a big impact back on us. It's dangerous to regard this decision as living in isolation.
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Of course we don't live in isolation, but neither do the Southern Irish. They chose their path, independence and membership of the Eu without any thought of how it would affect the UK. Well we get to chose ours and should do so without a single thought of how it will affect the Irish Republic. If it thrives, wonderful, if it doesn't then tough. I don't see any countries saying that they must look after the good old British......
 

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