Roberto Martinez discussion

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edge said:
Never want him back, and can't this fella just deserves a crack in the nose to wake him up, stop daydreaming were Barcelona and get on with the job of winning games
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Makes you tho doesnt it, I mean does nobody on the coaching staff think about taking him to 1 side and saying "Bobby lad, da fuk even was that Kone sub lad? Give your head an actual wobble".
 
MoutsGoat said:
Makes you tho doesnt it, I mean does nobody on the coaching staff think about taking him to 1 side and saying "Bobby lad, da fuk even was that Kone sub lad? Give your head an actual wobble".
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I think he runs the show, there all to scared to say anything in case the grass Osman blows them up.........how come we have him down as a snitch totally forgot.
 
MoutsGoat said:
How is something already achieved impossible to achieve again?

Even after buying 20 players and spending 100m?
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Because he cheated to do it. The influx of players that summer was something I don't think any Everton manager has ever seen before. It caught up with us the following season when we had to buy players just to stand still.
 

Martinez was hired solely on his ability to win a cup. No-one in their right mind would hire him for his track record in the league. Which to be fair to him, considering the budget and the same applies to the manager before him, to compete for a top four place is a big ask. Leicester are having a great season and all power to them, but before we talk about revolution, let's see how they do next year. Exceptions are there to prove the rule. If he achieves his MO, I think the current board will consider him a successful appointment. Maybe Lancaster Gate will consider Martinez for the next England Manager, that's the only way he's leaving the club in the foreseeable future.
 
edge said:
I think he runs the show, there all to scared to say anything in case the grass Osman blows them up.........how come we have him down as a snitch totally forgot.
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The bad little kopite grass.

Oh and in Moyes time, he used to grass all the lads up to Moyes if they stayed out after curfew, in case you had actually forgot. :D
 
davek said:
I said 60 points should be the realistic target, which it was.

72 points should never be our benchmark. It was an insane performance and never to be repeated until we get mega cash in.
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So why do you use it as the benchmark for defending Martinez? Why not say 'he exceeded expectations but I think we should be 60 points with him'? Is it because 60pts are not exactly a step up in the right direction?
 

balggy said:
Dave, you are so wrong it is off the Richter scale.

You seem to think that you set the clubs targets? Whilst you are a well established poster on the forum, I'm not sure you get to say what the goals are each year.

For the last 10 years it has seemed that the clubs target has been to finish in the Top 6/7. On occasions there have been noises that we might be able to challenge for a top four spot. Whilst there isn't necessary an expectation for us to achieve it, our goal is to qualify for the champions league.

At Martinez's first press conference Bill spoke about trying to get in the champions league. Not winning the league cup.

On occasions, one of the established sky four falter. If you are the "best of the rest", as Moyes often had us, it puts you in a good position to challenge for the top 4 if someone drops out.

That is effectively what has happened this year. But instead of one place becoming available, two have. If we're still "best of the rest", we might be in a position to take advantage of this great opportunity. However, as we are 11th and will be entering March with 35 points, we ain't.

Also, someone needs to call you out on your comments concerning Moyes style of football. I don't want him back, because you should always move forward. But the way you go on, you would think we were managed by Pulis or Allerdyce. We played some decent football under Moyes. Not Arsenal/ Barcelona, but decent. Whilst we would sometimes launch it towards Fellaini (it's not a crime to mix it up), we played some decent stuff, especially on the left with Baines and Pienaar overlapping. Osman's goal against Larissa in the Europa league was sex.

You make some good points and your obviously intelligent. But there is no need to re-write history.
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Great post mate. And I'm a cultist.
 
Can't believe there is an actual debate comparing Martinez and his magical one season wonder to the 2 managers actually chasing the title this season.

Who actually gives a toss?

Let me re-iterate. Martinez at this moment in time looks very much like a one season wonder.

Since that one season, he has taken the club backwards at an alarming rate and if not addressed soon will probably put us back as a regular bottom half of the table club.

We played great football that season granted, with purpose and scored lots of goals whilst not conceding too many.

The side was basically the foundations of the apparently awful Moyes side with the welcome additions of some decent players recruited by Martinez.

Come May, that will be two seasons past. Hark on all you want about that glorious season, but we won nothing and didn't qualify for the CL.

If that is all you can cling into as a reason to keep him now, when we are struggling for any form of consistency for nearly two full seasons since, then you are boring, stuck in the past and draining the life out of this forum with your kopite like behaviour of reminiscing, though in fact you are reminiscing about nothing particular as nothing extraordinary was achieved.
 
By god i'm blue, I'm with you.

but please don't,

make a space line through every point you make. It's easier to read, if you keep talking in sentences and paragraphs.
 

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