Whistlin' Dixie
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This applies to everyone from bidston, leasowe, seacombe, rock ferry, tranmere and neston.
And @chicoazul .
Hang them.
Making a Murderer Documentary on Netflix
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This applies to everyone from bidston, leasowe, seacombe, rock ferry, tranmere and neston.
And @chicoazul .
Hang them.
There are so many things that don't add up. Why would he leave the car in his scrapyard when he could have just crushed it. They supposedly slit her throat and raped her yet there was zero dna evidence in his house. How does that seriously happen? No blood in the garage as well. No dna anywhere at all that the nephew was there. The blood in the car doesn't add up either.
Then you have the fact they were searching his house and garage which was tiny yet it took them days to find a set of keys on the floor and a bullet. With all the evidence given in that trial there is no way a guilty verdict could have been given.
Then you have the fact they were searching his house and garage which was tiny yet it took them days to find a set of keys on the floor and a bullet. With all the evidence given in that trial there is no way a guilty verdict could have been given.
Think it was her brother and ex boyfriend hacked into her voicemails and listened to some of them. At the time the voicemail was full yet after they went into it, it wasn't anymore, meaning they probably deleted some.
also he didn't know the password yet managed to get into it by 'guessing'.
ncblue
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The fact that she was never seen or heard of again. No phone calls to family or work, no stopping off for petrol or groceries. Nothing. She disappeared after that afternoon.
Why does that mean he is guilty though? Anyone could have kidnapped her at some point after that without her doing any of those things.
circumstantial evidence
they found her burnt remains in a fire pit by her house and in a barrel (allegedly planted)
they found her vehicle keys in his bedroom (on the 7th visit + allegedly planted)
they found his blood in her car (allegedly planted)
they found her vehicle on his property (allegedly planted)
Yet some of her bones where found at another place. Why did he move some and not all of it off his property? The blood in the car makes no sense at all. He is right next to the place he supposedly burnt her, why would he need it. Then the car like I said before, why would he leave it on his property when he had a crusher. None of it adds up to me. I can't say he 100% innocent but it feels like that way to me. No way the jury could without doubt say he was guilty.
ncblue
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Yes you're right anyone could have kidnapped and killed her - but if you're talking about the ex boyfriend or brother (or other non police suspects) then why would they think to frame Avery? Someone they don't know or have any reason to be on his property. And if you think the police were involved, then that's taking a conspiracy theory to the extreme for them to commit murder. I just don't see it.
I think the case (although mostly circumstantial) points to Avery. Not enough to convict him but I wouldn't say he's innocent.
The only decent direct evidence (that I don't think was tampered with) with was the DNA found under the bonnet latch - which the police didn't know was there till Brendan mentioned Avery had opened it up to disconnect the battery.
Whatever Brendan said was thrown out of his case with how the police dealt with him. They basically told him what to say till they got what they wanted. I honestly think the brother or ex could have something to do with it. Deleting voicemails and the police didn't question either of them.
Who said another possible killer would want to frame him? The police could have easily found it earlier, which would explain the officer calling the car in (when she hadn't even been reported missing at this point) and then planting the evidence on him. These were people who were being sued a small fortune for his false imprisonment. They were told to stay away from the property yet they were there on a number of occasions, conviently when they found stuff days later.
The big one for me is the fact Brendan said they raped her and slit her throat in his house yet not a trance of dna anywhere. That is simply impossible.
Mogwai
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This is my feeling of events. What still makes me upset is that Brendans in jail for being coerced. The only evidence linking him is his own confession, yet when the tapes show he was being coerced, and that he firstly and finally denied being there, the jury still convict him? Why does the confession outway the denial? They are both from the same source and one was under extreme stress when he didn't even know what was going on. He thought he could go back to school FFS! Poor poor kid.
To top it off not one court thinks there are any grounds for appeal? Thats [Poor language removed] up!
Btw Len katchowsky or whatever needs to be shot
Very sad ain't it. Thing I don't get Steven got found not guilty for mutilation of a corpse yet Brendan did. Doesn't make much sense to me.
bring the ghost on
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The trial footage primarily focused on the defence lawyers cross-examining prosecution witnesses, and not vice versa.
Re Avery's past convictions, it's not sufficient to summise "oh, he was messing about and committed two burglaries. Then he burnt a cat alive''. These are serious offences, and they are an indication of what he is capable of as a person.
My main problem however was the "conspiracy" suggestions propagated by the documentary series, which got too far fetched. It started by blaming the Sherriff's dept cops (rightly so, their behaviour was disgusting). It points the finger at Brendan's pre-trial lawyer (again, rightly so). It then points the finger at the investigators. Then Ken Kratz. Then the judge. Then the jury. There is a line somewhere, and they overstepped it. The factors do point out that Avery had an unfair trial, but not that he was framed for murder (in my view).
Mogwai
The Hiphopopotamus Rhymenoceros
Never been on a jury as I have conflicting education, but how does everyone come to a unanimous decision? Do people just get tired and just say [Poor language removed] it, Hes guilty? If 7 were originally on the not guilty side, how can they all switch?
bring the ghost on
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Len Kachinsky was the ultimate horror story of the series, an awful man.
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