Muhamed Besic

[Dragon7]

Low footy iq or just plain bias, can't tell which but it's so annoying. Praise a striker who is more dependent on good service to do well(let's see him make others around him better and do more on his own...you know kinda like Aguero does..well maybe in another universe), but ignore someone who makes others better, plays hard for full 90 minutes and would die on the pitch doing his job...stops Messi, Bale, Yaya, etc, and still isn't enough. My guess is these people have shitty lives and have to keep holding on to that one player they've liked from the beginning(because nothing else is going on so if they are wrong it's a total catastrophe) or they're just this dumb and can't see anything besides the 'Lukaku has 30 goals so he must be very good'. The way players play doesn't mean a thing to these people or the fact perfect setups need to happen for these guys to get goals(how many times i've seen a perfect cross to Lukaku where if you missed you'd have to feel pretty shitty about your game). Basically, there are players out there who need others' magic to keep playing well and won't do much without good playmakers.

What some haven't figured out about Mo is that for Everton to do well they need to have more balance in the midfield because they're way too prone to giving up so much space and opponents having an easier time getting chances. No great team will go anywhere far if defensively you can't do better and there aren't too many out there that are better than Besic. People can talk all they want with stuff like 'only 2 games so too early to tell'. There are quite a few on here who are fans because they're watched him for YEARS do this stuff. Few games before World Cup he dominated and then went to the World Cup and did it on the biggest stage.

Another issue is that even though I'm not that big on Barry playing(slow, weak defensively, etc), it's not a bad idea to have him because Lukaku won't be as effective without Barry's accurate crosses and passes(he really does have that going for him..not much else though).

 

[roydo]

Low footy iq or just plain bias, can't tell which but it's so annoying. Praise a striker who is more dependent on good service to do well(let's see him make others around him better and do more on his own...you know kinda like Aguero does..well maybe in another universe), but ignore someone who makes others better, plays hard for full 90 minutes and would die on the pitch doing his job...stops Messi, Bale, Yaya, etc, and still isn't enough. My guess is these people have shitty lives and have to keep holding on to that one player they've liked from the beginning(because nothing else is going on so if they are wrong it's a total catastrophe) or they're just this dumb and can't see anything besides the 'Lukaku has 30 goals so he must be very good'. The way players play doesn't mean a thing to these people or the fact perfect setups need to happen for these guys to get goals(how many times i've seen a perfect cross to Lukaku where if you missed you'd have to feel pretty shitty about your game). Basically, there are players out there who need others' magic to keep playing well and won't do much without good playmakers.

What some haven't figured out about Mo is that for Everton to do well they need to have more balance in the midfield because they're way too prone to giving up so much space and opponents having an easier time getting chances. No great team will go anywhere far if defensively you can't do better and there aren't too many out there that are better than Besic. People can talk all they want with stuff like 'only 2 games so too early to tell'. There are quite a few on here who are fans because they're watched him for YEARS do this stuff. Few games before World Cup he dominated and then went to the World Cup and did it on the biggest stage.

Another issue is that even though I'm not that big on Barry playing(slow, weak defensively, etc), it's not a bad idea to have him because Lukaku won't be as effective without Barry's accurate crosses and passes(he really does have that going for him..not much else though).

Watch the swearing mate.

But good points.

 

[sageyefc]

Should keep his place from now on

 

[meagher94]

Low footy iq or just plain bias, can't tell which but it's so annoying. Praise a striker who is more dependent on good service to do well(let's see him make others around him better and do more on his own...you know kinda like Aguero does..well maybe in another universe), but ignore someone who makes others better, plays hard for full 90 minutes and would die on the pitch doing his job...stops Messi, Bale, Yaya, etc, and still isn't enough. My guess is these people have shitty lives and have to keep holding on to that one player they've liked from the beginning(because nothing else is going on so if they are wrong it's a total catastrophe) or they're just this dumb and can't see anything besides the 'Lukaku has 30 goals so he must be very good'. The way players play doesn't mean a thing to these people or the fact perfect setups need to happen for these guys to get goals(how many times i've seen a perfect cross to Lukaku where if you missed you'd have to feel pretty shitty about your game). Basically, there are players out there who need others' magic to keep playing well and won't do much without good playmakers.

What some haven't figured out about Mo is that for Everton to do well they need to have more balance in the midfield because they're way too prone to giving up so much space and opponents having an easier time getting chances. No great team will go anywhere far if defensively you can't do better and there aren't too many out there that are better than Besic. People can talk all they want with stuff like 'only 2 games so too early to tell'. There are quite a few on here who are fans because they're watched him for YEARS do this stuff. Few games before World Cup he dominated and then went to the World Cup and did it on the biggest stage.

Another issue is that even though I'm not that big on Barry playing(slow, weak defensively, etc), it's not a bad idea to have him because Lukaku won't be as effective without Barry's accurate crosses and passes(he really does have that going for him..not much else though).

I love Besic.

But to suggest Lukaku isn't as good a player as he only relies on service is pretty ridiculous. If all that's required is service then by that logic we could just stick absolutely anybody up top and he'd bag goals, which is simply not true hence why we paid £28m for a striker who has became Lukaku our most prolific one in decades.

Besic is great. Lukaku is great. You can't compare the two directly as they're completely different players and positions, however, Lukaku is far more important to us than Besic is.

 

[MACCA75]

Low footy iq or just plain bias, can't tell which but it's so annoying. Praise a striker who is more dependent on good service to do well(let's see him make others around him better and do more on his own...you know kinda like Aguero does..well maybe in another universe), but ignore someone who makes others better, plays hard for full 90 minutes and would die on the pitch doing his job...stops Messi, Bale, Yaya, etc, and still isn't enough. My guess is these people have shitty lives and have to keep holding on to that one player they've liked from the beginning(because nothing else is going on so if they are wrong it's a total catastrophe) or they're just this dumb and can't see anything besides the 'Lukaku has 30 goals so he must be very good'. The way players play doesn't mean a thing to these people or the fact perfect setups need to happen for these guys to get goals(how many times i've seen a perfect cross to Lukaku where if you missed you'd have to feel pretty shitty about your game). Basically, there are players out there who need others' magic to keep playing well and won't do much without good playmakers.

What some haven't figured out about Mo is that for Everton to do well they need to have more balance in the midfield because they're way too prone to giving up so much space and opponents having an easier time getting chances. No great team will go anywhere far if defensively you can't do better and there aren't too many out there that are better than Besic. People can talk all they want with stuff like 'only 2 games so too early to tell'. There are quite a few on here who are fans because they're watched him for YEARS do this stuff. Few games before World Cup he dominated and then went to the World Cup and did it on the biggest stage.

Another issue is that even though I'm not that big on Barry playing(slow, weak defensively, etc), it's not a bad idea to have him because Lukaku won't be as effective without Barry's accurate crosses and passes(he really does have that going for him..not much else though).

There was me thinking Lukaku and Barry are having good seasons. I must have a low football IQ

 

[Dragon7]

I love Besic.

But to suggest Lukaku isn't as good a player as he only relies on service is pretty ridiculous. If all that's required is service then by that logic we could just stick absolutely anybody up top and he'd bag goals, which is simply not true hence why we paid £28m for a striker who has became Lukaku our most prolific one in decades.

Besic is great. Lukaku is great. You can't compare the two directly as they're completely different players and positions, however, Lukaku is far more important to us than Besic is.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great finisher just not as complete a player as some think. There are those who need service to do well(which he does) and others like Aguero who can do a lot by himself. Nothing wrong with that of course just important for people to know that sometimes those who get the big goals do it because of others' big help.

Watch the swearing mate.

But good points.

Apologies, won't happen again, just very frustrating seeing exact same people come back with pretty much exact same attacks on their own. I've been on forums a long time and patterns are obvious for why people do these things.

 

[AJC5]

Low footy iq or just plain bias, can't tell which but it's so annoying. Praise a striker who is more dependent on good service to do well(let's see him make others around him better and do more on his own...you know kinda like Aguero does..well maybe in another universe), but ignore someone who makes others better, plays hard for full 90 minutes and would die on the pitch doing his job...stops Messi, Bale, Yaya, etc, and still isn't enough. My guess is these people have shitty lives and have to keep holding on to that one player they've liked from the beginning(because nothing else is going on so if they are wrong it's a total catastrophe) or they're just this dumb and can't see anything besides the 'Lukaku has 30 goals so he must be very good'. The way players play doesn't mean a thing to these people or the fact perfect setups need to happen for these guys to get goals(how many times i've seen a perfect cross to Lukaku where if you missed you'd have to feel pretty shitty about your game). Basically, there are players out there who need others' magic to keep playing well and won't do much without good playmakers.

What some haven't figured out about Mo is that for Everton to do well they need to have more balance in the midfield because they're way too prone to giving up so much space and opponents having an easier time getting chances. No great team will go anywhere far if defensively you can't do better and there aren't too many out there that are better than Besic. People can talk all they want with stuff like 'only 2 games so too early to tell'. There are quite a few on here who are fans because they're watched him for YEARS do this stuff. Few games before World Cup he dominated and then went to the World Cup and did it on the biggest stage.

Another issue is that even though I'm not that big on Barry playing(slow, weak defensively, etc), it's not a bad idea to have him because Lukaku won't be as effective without Barry's accurate crosses and passes(he really does have that going for him..not much else though).

You're basically slagging off two of our best players this season. Lukaku and Aguero are different types of player. Aguero is obviously more skilful and more likely to dribble around three or four player and score but Lukaku has other qualities that Aguero doesn't. Aerial ability and hold up play being the main points. All strikers rely on service to some degree.

I like the way Besic has played in the last two games but Barry was MOTM against City. He knows how to run a midfield.

 

[orly]

Low footy iq or just plain bias, can't tell which but it's so annoying. Praise a striker who is more dependent on good service to do well(let's see him make others around him better and do more on his own...you know kinda like Aguero does..well maybe in another universe), but ignore someone who makes others better, plays hard for full 90 minutes and would die on the pitch doing his job...stops Messi, Bale, Yaya, etc, and still isn't enough. My guess is these people have shitty lives and have to keep holding on to that one player they've liked from the beginning(because nothing else is going on so if they are wrong it's a total catastrophe) or they're just this dumb and can't see anything besides the 'Lukaku has 30 goals so he must be very good'. The way players play doesn't mean a thing to these people or the fact perfect setups need to happen for these guys to get goals(how many times i've seen a perfect cross to Lukaku where if you missed you'd have to feel pretty shitty about your game). Basically, there are players out there who need others' magic to keep playing well and won't do much without good playmakers.

What some haven't figured out about Mo is that for Everton to do well they need to have more balance in the midfield because they're way too prone to giving up so much space and opponents having an easier time getting chances. No great team will go anywhere far if defensively you can't do better and there aren't too many out there that are better than Besic. People can talk all they want with stuff like 'only 2 games so too early to tell'. There are quite a few on here who are fans because they're watched him for YEARS do this stuff. Few games before World Cup he dominated and then went to the World Cup and did it on the biggest stage.

Another issue is that even though I'm not that big on Barry playing(slow, weak defensively, etc), it's not a bad idea to have him because Lukaku won't be as effective without Barry's accurate crosses and passes(he really does have that going for him..not much else though).

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He's got 20 goals by January and is an absolutely exceptional footballer. Anyone who can't see this is mental.

 

[vagant59]

I love Besic.

But to suggest Lukaku isn't as good a player as he only relies on service is pretty ridiculous. If all that's required is service then by that logic we could just stick absolutely anybody up top and he'd bag goals, which is simply not true hence why we paid £28m for a striker who has became Lukaku our most prolific one in decades.

Besic is great. Lukaku is great. You can't compare the two directly as they're completely different players and positions, however, Lukaku is far more important to us than Besic is.

WRONG. They are both equally important to us. If Rom misses a couple of chances its not a problem, as he will more than likely score the next one. However if Besic misses a tackle the opposition could quite easily score as was the case in the Bournemouth game when our midfield was static. You don't win games unless you play well at both ends of the pitch

 

[Dragon7]

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He's got 20 goals by January and is an absolutely exceptional footballer. Anyone who can't see this is mental.

Find a play that he usually doesn't make(maybe once in every 10 games) and try to make a point. So cute.

Look, recently(before it happened) i made a point on the Bosnian forum how Dzeko coming to As Roma was going to be a real shitty move both for Roma and him. I took into account the style of play and the type of players Roma had(very direct with fast wingers) and didn't think that Roma had enough playmakers to get Dzeko to play at his best. Guess what happened? Well let's just say they are already talking about him leaving to Bundesliga. These are not coincidences. You just have to look beyond the obvious and study systems, strengths of each player, etc. You guys get all sensitive when someone posts that a striker needs service and then come back as if i'm saying he's a shitty player or something(which i never said, just context is important and most people don't bother). It's your fault for not being able to read what's being posted.

 

[roydo]

Apologies, won't happen again

a real shitty move

It's your fault for not being able to read what's being posted

Rein it in you. Remember, you are a guest on this forum. Being the worlds best football expert on all things football, and systems, and metrics and mumbo jumbo makes you sound like an idiot.

And insulting your hosts is also pretty rude.

Last warning.

 

[SPOTTER]

Thought he looked like he had a touch of class today and stood out but also thought he made a lot of sloppy passes.if he sharpens up his passing he could be immense.i guess he's going to be a bit inconsistent for a while.

 

[orly]

Find a play that he usually doesn't make(maybe once in every 10 games) and try to make a point. So cute.

So he'd be deemed a better player if he banged in one long shot every four games, rather than 19 in 24 games of goals that some people had to assist him on?

Wasn't it the case that Ruud Van Nistelrooy scored virtually all of his goals from within the box for United, and I think we can say he was a world class player.

You're using Dzeko as an example? A man deemed surplus to requirements at City who, bizarrely, also didn't have the players to make him 'play at his best'. Might suggest that hey, the issue could lie with the player.

 

[orchard]

Azul and his cosmopolitan multi's stirring up a poop storm, haha.
Besic is boss like.

 

[orly]

Azul and his cosmopolitan multi's stirring up a poop storm, haha.
Besic is boss like.

i made a point on the Bosnian forum

lol