Roberto Martinez discussion

[MACCA75]

at one point there were definite calls for pulis, or a pulis type, or pulis wouldn't allow this etc etc

Can you find those quotes? Ta.

 

[Carlito]

I would be very surprised if there was a single example of someone suggesting Pulis as a suitable replacement for Martinez .

 

[Lowste]

I would be very surprised if there was a single example of someone suggesting Pulis as a suitable replacement for Martinez .

I would be shocked

Saying that some of the shouts on here shock me, so I might not be as shocked as first thought

 

[hullefc]

Yes, there is a big disaparity. Why is that? Maybe the team are more comfortable in front of opposition and away Everton supporters than they are at Goodison?

Could have something to do with that. Could be that no team fears coming to Goodison. Teams like to play on the counter. Could be that the young players are too nervous and this affects their concentration. We have roughly the same possession away from home as at home 51% compared to 53%. We create as many chances away from home as at home. We don't really foul more away from home to stop the opposition.

Maybe we are missing Jags.

Maybe we are set up to attack more at home and when it breaks down we get punished. The Leicester pens. Shaqiri's first and his 'wonder' goal. We have conceded from headers in the box eg. Dann - a player left their position and Dann stormed into it. Ings goal- goalies ball all day long. Defoe's goal - counter punt player waiting for the ball. Maybe inexperience.

What are we doing anything different away than at home? I did read the other day that there was something like 37% home wins and 35% aways. Teams are perfecting their away game.

If it was a new coach coming in. Then the first question they would ask is, 'what are you doing away from home that is different to what you do at home'. If it was , 'work on the training ground practising formation after formation, set piece after set piece' - something that I would not necessarily be against. Then so be it. But we don't necessarily need someone coming in to do that. You can never practise for all eventualities, as you don't know what the opposition is going to do. I think you have to give players roles and they have to carry it out on the pitch. The Dann and Ings goals for example. If I needed to sharpen up aspects of my game I wouldn't wait for the manager to tell me I'd take the initiative. As Lukaku did when he couldn't trap a bag of cement.

There is no magic wand that can be waved to keep goals out at home. What Martinez has shown is that he did solve the attacking side of our game. And has shown that away from home we can defend and not concede many - did I mention only 9!!!! being a club record for an Everton manager after 9 aways. What has been written that he has a history of not being able to set up a team to defend doesn't bare out with what he is doing away from home, as our away goals have shown. Any analysis would have to look at what is happening at home and some of the reasons why we have conceded 19. I noticed he has brought in a new fitness trainer/coach. Good move. And shows he is not stubborn or dogmatic.

Maybe Martinez may need a bit of a rethink. As he did with the attacking side. Personally I'd go for 4-3-3 which is fluid and gives cover to the defence without losing any attacking flair.

It has always been fine margins - a dodgy back pass for instance - between winning and losing. The more I hear that players say they practise set pieces etc. and Barry's comments the more I am convinced that Martinez and the players will sort it out.

The Entertainers we are and the Entertainers we will continue to be. Wembley would be a fitting place to show off, to those watching what a jaw dropping football team we really are. Just need a ticket.

 

[dannyboy]

Could have something to do with that. Could be that no team fears coming to Goodison. Teams like to play on the counter. Could be that the young players are too nervous and this affects their concentration. We have roughly the same possession away from home as at home 51% compared to 53%. We create as many chances away from home as at home. We don't really foul more away from home to stop the opposition.

Maybe we are missing Jags.

Maybe we are set up to attack more at home and when it breaks down we get punished. The Leicester pens. Shaqiri's first and his 'wonder' goal. We have conceded from headers in the box eg. Dann - a player left their position and Dann stormed into it. Ings goal- goalies ball all day long. Defoe's goal - counter punt player waiting for the ball. Maybe inexperience.

What are we doing anything different away than at home? I did read the other day that there was something like 37% home wins and 35% aways. Teams are perfecting their away game.

If it was a new coach coming in. Then the first question they would ask is, 'what are you doing away from home that is different to what you do at home'. If it was , 'work on the training ground practising formation after formation, set piece after set piece' - something that I would not necessarily be against. Then so be it. But we don't necessarily need someone coming in to do that. You can never practise for all eventualities, as you don't know what the opposition is going to do. I think you have to give players roles and they have to carry it out on the pitch. The Dann and Ings goals for example. If I needed to sharpen up aspects of my game I wouldn't wait for the manager to tell me I'd take the initiative. As Lukaku did when he couldn't trap a bag of cement.

There is no magic wand that can be waved to keep goals out at home. What Martinez has shown is that he did solve the attacking side of our game. And has shown that away from home we can defend and not concede many - did I mention only 9!!!! being a club record for an Everton manager after 9 aways. What has been written that he has a history of not being able to set up a team to defend doesn't bare out with what he is doing away from home, as our away goals have shown. Any analysis would have to look at what is happening at home and some of the reasons why we have conceded 19. I noticed he has brought in a new fitness trainer/coach. Good move. And shows he is not stubborn or dogmatic.

Maybe Martinez may need a bit of a rethink. As he did with the attacking side. Personally I'd go for 4-3-3 which is fluid and gives cover to the defence without losing any attacking flair.

It has always been fine margins - a dodgy back pass for instance - between winning and losing. The more I hear that players say they practise set pieces etc. and Barry's comments the more I am convinced that Martinez and the players will sort it out.

The Entertainers we are and the Entertainers we will continue to be. Wembley would be a fitting place to show off, to those watching what a jaw dropping football team we really are. Just need a ticket.

I absolutely admire your optimism, it's actually quite something.

However, how will you feel if you we finish the season without silverware and in 11th place? I'm just curious if you'd still think Martinez was the way to go.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Could have something to do with that. Could be that no team fears coming to Goodison. Teams like to play on the counter. Could be that the young players are too nervous and this affects their concentration. We have roughly the same possession away from home as at home 51% compared to 53%. We create as many chances away from home as at home. We don't really foul more away from home to stop the opposition.

Maybe we are missing Jags.

Maybe we are set up to attack more at home and when it breaks down we get punished. The Leicester pens. Shaqiri's first and his 'wonder' goal. We have conceded from headers in the box eg. Dann - a player left their position and Dann stormed into it. Ings goal- goalies ball all day long. Defoe's goal - counter punt player waiting for the ball. Maybe inexperience.

What are we doing anything different away than at home? I did read the other day that there was something like 37% home wins and 35% aways. Teams are perfecting their away game.

If it was a new coach coming in. Then the first question they would ask is, 'what are you doing away from home that is different to what you do at home'. If it was , 'work on the training ground practising formation after formation, set piece after set piece' - something that I would not necessarily be against. Then so be it. But we don't necessarily need someone coming in to do that. You can never practise for all eventualities, as you don't know what the opposition is going to do. I think you have to give players roles and they have to carry it out on the pitch. The Dann and Ings goals for example. If I needed to sharpen up aspects of my game I wouldn't wait for the manager to tell me I'd take the initiative. As Lukaku did when he couldn't trap a bag of cement.

There is no magic wand that can be waved to keep goals out at home. What Martinez has shown is that he did solve the attacking side of our game. And has shown that away from home we can defend and not concede many - did I mention only 9!!!! being a club record for an Everton manager after 9 aways. What has been written that he has a history of not being able to set up a team to defend doesn't bare out with what he is doing away from home, as our away goals have shown. Any analysis would have to look at what is happening at home and some of the reasons why we have conceded 19. I noticed he has brought in a new fitness trainer/coach. Good move. And shows he is not stubborn or dogmatic.

Maybe Martinez may need a bit of a rethink. As he did with the attacking side. Personally I'd go for 4-3-3 which is fluid and gives cover to the defence without losing any attacking flair.

It has always been fine margins - a dodgy back pass for instance - between winning and losing. The more I hear that players say they practise set pieces etc. and Barry's comments the more I am convinced that Martinez and the players will sort it out.

The Entertainers we are and the Entertainers we will continue to be. Wembley would be a fitting place to show off, to those watching what a jaw dropping football team we really are. Just need a ticket.

My jaw certainly dropped when we conceded 20 seconds after scoring at Bournemouth, when we conceded a set piece goal for about the 50th time this season against Norwich, when we conceded 3 goals at home to Leicester and then 4 goals at home to Stoke in the space of the week. That's without even mentioning last season where my jaw was never off the floor.

Hopefully we'll get to show off what a jaw dropping team we are at Wembley. The nation deserves it.

 

[orly]

@hullefc : 'Don't worry guys, we're off to Neverland!...I mean Wembley!'

Jaws all very much on the floor here. The Halewood Globetrotters are on the road!

 

[orly]

Could have something to do with that. Could be that no team fears coming to Goodison. Teams like to play on the counter. Could be that the young players are too nervous and this affects their concentration. We have roughly the same possession away from home as at home 51% compared to 53%. We create as many chances away from home as at home. We don't really foul more away from home to stop the opposition.

Maybe we are missing Jags.

In that phenomenal season last year (the one where we conceded 50 goals) Jagielka made 37 league appearances.

Boy, do we miss his calming presence at the back....

Literally, every post you ever make, you defeat your own point with. It's absolutely mesmerising stuff. Are you still drinking?

 

[hullefc]

My jaw certainly dropped when we conceded 20 seconds after scoring at Bournemouth, when we conceded a set piece goal for about the 50th time this season against Norwich, when we conceded 3 goals at home to Leicester and then 4 goals at home to Stoke in the space of the week. That's without even mentioning last season where my jaw was never off the floor.

Hopefully we'll get to show off what a jaw dropping team we are at Wembley. The nation deserves it.

It does indeed.

 

[boris]

like a lot of teams (those derided as frauds and long all merchants) we tend to play on the counterattack away from home and do it to a reasonable degree of success. Sit deep, two holding mids, three CBs in the back 4, midfielder on the wing, one striker, lots of men behind the ball then we break at pace. Makes it easier to defend and probably accounts for the defensive upturn. It's when the master plan comes out at Goodison that the entertainers are picked off with ease by all and sundry.

We don't play on the counter away though, we play exactly the same really. For example, Swansea, Norwich, Newcastle all games were we conceded nothing from open play, were games were had them penned back for long periods and created enough chances to win a few games. You could even throw Arsenal in the mix as well.

Spurs we played on the counter I would say, Southampton early on as well but we've done that home also. I certainly wouldn't say there's a big difference in how we play and it is something Martinez has always stuck by that he wants his teams to play our game wherever we go.

 

[hullefc]

In that phenomenal season last year (the one where we conceded 50 goals) Jagielka made 37 league appearances.

Boy, do we miss his calming presence at the back....

Literally, every post you ever make, you defeat your own point with. It's absolutely mesmerising stuff. Are you still drinking?

That's the spirit. Make mine a double there dear chap.

 

[Chang Elephant]

In that phenomenal season last year (the one where we conceded 50 goals) Jagielka made 37 league appearances.

Boy, do we miss his calming presence at the back....

Literally, every post you ever make, you defeat your own point with. It's absolutely mesmerising stuff. Are you still drinking?

Agreed, it's the shape/tactics in front of/next to the centre halfs that's hanging them out to dry (Jagielka's good but won't be able to affect that). Behind them it's a personnel matter as no defender should have to play in front of that residue.

 

[hullefc]

@hullefc : 'Don't worry guys, we're off to Neverland!...I mean Wembley!'

Jaws all very much on the floor here. The Halewood Globetrotters are on the road!

Quite fetching that outfit. Where's my 6 fingered hand? I do miss it, dear chap.

 

[orly]

In that phenomenal season last year (the one where we conceded 50 goals) Jagielka made 37 league appearances.

Boy, do we miss his calming presence at the back....

Literally, every post you ever make, you defeat your own point with. It's absolutely mesmerising stuff. Are you still drinking?

Spookily, Prentice has just published this

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../phil-jagielka-ready-imminent-return-10671445

INFLUENTIAL captain Phil Jagielka is ready for an imminent return to the Everton first team squad.

After missing more than two months of the campaign with medial knee ligament damage, the England international defender has been back in full training and, according to manager Roberto Martinez, could be back “in the next seven to 10 days.”

That may mean a return in the FA Cup third round tie against Dagenham.

Martinez added: “The weekend could be too early,” while the visit of the Premier League top scorers, Manchester City in the Capital One Cup on Wednesday, would be an unforgiving reintroduction for a player who has been missing since late October.

Whenever he returns, Martinez believes the 33-year-old’s experience will be massively influential.

“Medically he’s got the green light, now it’s making sure he gets a good programme to get him match fit,” Martinez explained.

“In the dressing room he’s a lively character that we’ve missed immensely, but we need to make sure he’s at 100% before he can come back into challenging for a position in the team.

“Defensively we are conceding too many goals for our liking and there are reasons for that.

“Clearly, this month is going to be very, very important. We’ve got our captain coming back into the side which is always important - more than anything for the influence he can have on young players.

“We have a back four with a lot of quality, a lot of talent but you need that little bit of experience. There’s a 19-year-old, a 21-year-old, a 24-year-old coming from a different league - that takes a little bit of time.

“Defensively we are putting ourselves in a very difficult position to get the score-lines reflecting what happens in our performances. That’s what we’re looking to improve to make sure the second half of the season we get the rewards from all the pain we’ve had to suffer in the last few weeks.”

So can Jagielka make a significant difference?

The stats are inconclusive.

2015/16

With Jagielka

12 games - 3 clean sheets, 17 goals conceded

Without Jagielka

11 games 3 clean sheets, 16 goals conceded

But Martinez believes that Jagielka’s authoritative manner and willingness to take responsibility will be important.

The equally experienced Gareth Barry, however, believes the problems are more mental than personnel-based.

Following the harrowing home defeat by Stoke, when Everton twice came from behind to lead 3-2 with 10 minutes remaining, and still lost 4-3, Barry said: “We need to change our mentality and as a team being able to realise the situation of the game.

“We have got attacking players that do want to score goals but once you get ahead in an end-to-end game like that there is an opportunity to win, which is the third goal for us, and we need to close the game out. We have to change our mentality that we don’t need to score again but need to keep a clean sheet to win the game.”

Everton have been in winning positions this season against Norwich and Bournemouth, as well as Stoke, and frittered away leads.

The 1-0 win at Newcastle and the 4-0 hiding of Aston Villa are the only Premier League clean sheets Everton have kept since Jagielka has been injured - another coming in the Capital One Cup at Middlesbrough.

He's plagarising again @davek , didn't credit me at all

 

[Goat]

Far to much "kneejerking" going on all over the shop here.

Cries of Mark Hughes, Eddie frigging Howe and other no marks whos name were replaced with Gary Monk, Michael Laudrup, Phil Brown and Brendan Rodgers not long ago.

If your gonna name Managers, at least name proper 1s.