Roberto Martinez discussion

[Dario Terracotta]

Possibly, that depends upon their investment plans. They might consider going for a defensive coach. Martinez does so many things well, he has ability without doubt, he just needs help where he is weak.

Is he a big enough man to admit that though mate?I hope he is,but he does appear to have "blind spots"with the defensive side of the game.

 

[daz4matty]

The top managers can do both. They may have a preference (Mourinho valued defence, Ferguson attack) but they never disregard the other. They create balanced sides. It's no surprise that we're good going forward when we disregard our defensive duties.

He mentions are defence after every game nowadays but does nothing about it.

 

[The Esk]

I'm not convinced he is even aware of this issue - let alone learning to resolve it.

Isn't that part of his weakness though?

 

[sheedys left foot]

If we had the resourced say of Liverpool or Tottenham would we have chosen Martinez as manager to replace Moyes in 2013?

The answer is no. Martinez is doing a superb job in creating an attacking team playing the best football in the PL at present going forward. But he has a fundamental weakness - he cannot coach defending to save his life. He's flawed until.he learns that aspect of the game.

To quote Sir Alex "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles."

Swansea, Wigan and now Everton?
Even a baby learns to walk after two years. When exactly will Martinez learn to set up a system to defend? It'll be too late imo

 

[joger]

Possibly, that depends upon their investment plans. They might consider going for a defensive coach. Martinez does so many things well, he has ability without doubt, he just needs help where he is weak.

How do you go about that without undermining Martinez thou? Unless he is open to the idea.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

I'd read the thread but it's Groundhog's Day, no matter the result. Can't comment on the game as I was at work so, the question is...did someone lose it and ask to be banned?

 

[Coffee and TV]

If we had the resourced say of Liverpool or Tottenham would we have chosen Martinez as manager to replace Moyes in 2013?

The answer is no. Martinez is doing a superb job in creating an attacking team playing the best football in the PL at present going forward. But he has a fundamental weakness - he cannot coach defending to save his life. He's flawed until.he learns that aspect of the game.

To quote Sir Alex "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles."

Well we need defense to win us games at the moment

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Wigan fan on another forum last season...the contrasts to what we are all seeing this last 18 months are there for all to see.

"Afternoon everyone. I came on here in the summer to express some honest views regarding Martinez but was shot down in flames. 2 games in, some tricky matches and potential banana skins cropping up. Just wondering how you guys rate him so far. He is the master of spin and talks a great game but his management style is shocking. I have seen two games from Everton now and the style of play is frighteningly familiar. tippy tappy football up to the box then nobody shoots. Look how many goals we scored and conceded under Martinez. Its an abysmal record. It's a bottom half finish for Everton i'm afraid. And if you stick by him, Next season will be a relegation battle. I mean after all. He has signed players from a team that was constantly fighting relegation. They can't be that good can they?".

"For 4 seasons we were saying the same things. It get's very repetitive and you will notice that something isn't right. We had all those stats every match but still conceded 70 odd goals for about 3 seasons and ultimately went down. It may be pleasing on the eye but his tactics do not work. They might do 1 in every 10 matches and its like watching Barcelona when it comes off but when it doesn't work it's like watching Burscough".

 

[nsno-chris]

How do you go about that without undermining Martinez thou? Unless he is open to the idea.

Quite simple, call him up to the office and utter these words:

Sort that defence out or you're out on your arse

 

[The Esk]

Is he a big enough man to admit that though mate?I hope he is,but he does appear to have "blind spots"with the defensive side of the game.

It has to be handled properly and seen as a strengthening of the management/coaching resource than an admission of failure.

Not beyond the right people to pull off.

 

[evertony]

I just need to ask...have we scored more goals per season under RM than under DM? I have no idea but I suspect its' not wildly different?

Quick check on www.statto.com will give you the answer. Looks to me like it's higher under Martinez by around 8-10 goals a season on average. If we carry on scoring at the rate we are at the halfway stage we will have our highest goal scoring season for around 15 years.

 

[daz4matty]

Quite simple, call him up to the office and utter these words:

Sort that defence out or you're out on your arse

Imagine our chairman and board members doing that.
They won't have a clue whats going on out on the pitch.

 

[Goat]

The reason we leak goals is the utter fraud in goal, swearing and shouting at Everton fans, star jumping, patting balls instead of catching, so yes, thats on Martinez, but to imply that the "defensive system" doesnt work is a complete lie, we play with mostly 2 screening DMs, 1 floats but as a defensive unit we play with 7 defensive players.

 

[Coffee and TV]

Replace Howard in January, if we're still [Poor language removed], sack Martinez.

 

[boris]

If we had the resourced say of Liverpool or Tottenham would we have chosen Martinez as manager to replace Moyes in 2013?

The answer is no.

It's not no.

Liverpool did try to appoint Martinez and they offered him the job not long before then. It was Martinez who said no to them.

That's not even in doubt.