Roberto Martinez discussion

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toffeejack said:
Too true, which is why i wanted us to buy an experienced defender with distin and alcaraz both going. Sadly we can't really afford the best of both worlds.
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Banged on about it but...Robert Huth went for £3million to top of the table Leciester. Him and Morgan are absolute yard dogs in terms of techincal ability...but I'd have them any day of the week to shut up shop on a lead.

But because they can't bring the ball out of defence and are comfortable on the ball, Martinez doesn't want that.
 

davek said:
What, keeping Distin and Alcarez would have been a good thing? They offered nothing.

This is all present mindedness mate. A month ago or so everyone was singing the praises of Funes Mori and Stones and Galloway; we hit a bumpy road and it's all fume and doom.

I cant take it seriously.

We beat Spurs next week and all these people screaming blue murder now will disappear or start talking about the CL spots.

It's pitiful. You have to laugh really. The fickleness of it all.

Martinez is here. He'll stay here. He'll sort the GK spot out and we'll be ok.

End of story really.
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He will never learn i bet you anything flappy will be in goal against spurs.
 
davek said:
What, keeping Distin and Alcarez would have been a good thing?[/B] They offered nothing.

This is all present mindedness mate. A month ago or so everyone was singing the praises of Funes Mori and Stones and Galloway; we hit a bumpy road and it's all fume and doom.

I cant take it seriously.

We beat Spurs next week and all these people screaming blue murder now will disappear or start talking about the CL spots.

It's pitiful. You have to laugh really. The fickleness of it all.

Martinez is here. He'll stay here. He'll sort the GK spot out and we'll be ok.

End of story really.
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did he not bring Alcatraz in?
 
If we had the resourced say of Liverpool or Tottenham would we have chosen Martinez as manager to replace Moyes in 2013?

The answer is no. Martinez is doing a superb job in creating an attacking team playing the best football in the PL at present going forward. But he has a fundamental weakness - he cannot coach defending to save his life. He's flawed until.he learns that aspect of the game.

To quote Sir Alex "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles."
 

Allezfan said:
I was just talking about that at the Newcastle game, actually. And yes, you are a topic of conversation at actual games. Be very proud.

I was saying that it's weird that people like yourself who were mostly positive about Moyes during his time here are so disparaging of him in retrospect.

As someone who was passionatly anti moyes and butted heads with the likes of you, chico and brennan over it, it does take me back a little that history has been so unkind to him in your eyes.
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Well, when you're wrong you're wrong. I backed him to the hilt because of his role in stabilising the club. But he was very limited and then he stagnated and became the board's pet poodle and had zero ambition. He had to go at that point.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Some of these arguments are as ridiculous as this: 'Pulis would be a top manager if he just loosened up upfront a little bit. That will come with time and experience though, we're playing the best football in the league defensively'.

In the same way Pulis is an average manager for only prioritising defensive football I fear Martinez is given the benefit of the doubt just because fans like seeing 3-3s more than 0-0s. Still the uncomfortable truth is that we are attempting to operate competitively at the top of one of the hardest leagues in the world with a manager who seemingly struggles to get to grips with 50% of the game.
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Yep.

Every manager has a style. It's what they do.

The best managers change.
 
The Esk said:
If we had the resourced say of Liverpool or Tottenham would we have chosen Martinez as manager to replace Moyes in 2013?

The answer is no. Martinez is doing a superb job in creating an attacking team playing the best football in the PL at present going forward. But he has a fundamental weakness - he cannot coach defending to save his life. He's flawed until.he learns that aspect of the game.

To quote Sir Alex "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles."
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He will never learn though he doesn't understand the art of defending
 
We lose or draw too many games to teams that realistically we should be beating. Such as Norwich away or Bournemouth when 2-0 up.

I wanted Martinez when we were originally linked with him, I was so pleased with his first season.

That is a long and distant memory now though, he can't dine out on that forever.

Certain individuals on here would have you believe we are Barcelona with a dodgy defence. However the truth is,we are only as good as some of the teams around us, only they know how to defend.

That in my opinion is part of his remit, to sort the defence out, he is massively failing.

Add that to his stubbornness of last season of making the same mistakes over and over, I just think this will end in tears.

I'm not a FIFA playing biff, nor do I consider myself over dramatic to be compared to footy shirt wearing kopites or Geordies. I am simply a concerned Evertonian that wanted this manager to do well, however he isn't, so I am questioning him and what he is doing.
 
catcherintherye said:
The problem with it is that it is a long term issue that we have. In the history of football sides who concede the number of goals we are currently never win anything.

The other thing Roberto has to accept, is that his attitude can come across as blaise which can filter into the players (I think it has done when it comes to conceding).

I admire his positive stance. That is the right way to be. If a goal goes in, don't fear it look to control the next phase of play as it's gone. However if people keep making the same mistakes, sometimes an old fashioned dressing down is needed.
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What's especially grim is it's lifted from an article a year ago, after defeat to STOKE...

http://www.theguardian.com/football...nez-not-alter-everton-playing-style-poor-form
 

davek said:
I gave Moyes support from 2002 to 2009 before wanting him gone. Have a go at that type of loyalty yourself.

BTW here's the realism: Martinez is our manager and will continue to be so for many seasons yet. No one outside these echo chamber forums think the way you do. Most people outside them see a marvellous attacking team being created that needs tightening up defensively. Sorry if that frustrates you. It's the way it is.
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I am not sure it's about loyalty. Eggs said recently that I agree with, that Everton as a club wouldn't benefit from just sacking managers on a whim.

I never once called for Moyes to go (the only time I ever called for a manager to go was Smith After the Boro quarter-final). I don't think that makes me some super fan but it just means I generally accept the principle above, that continuity is important particularly for Everton.

In general though, a few people are going to have to look at whats happening here and also the Car Crash that is Manchester United (where they have got nowhere near the levels of performance in key indicators like the Champions league, despite spending hundreds of millions more) and re-evaluate the narrative around Moyes.

There is little doubt he overachieved in the league season in season out. I always thought the next manager would struggle to match his consistency. I think a few have chucked the baby out with the bath water regarding Moyes and any future analysis they now make isn't congruent. In spite of what people think Moyes was not holding back a squad and club that was capable of challenging to win leagues. He was eeking out consistent if uninspiring returns from a squad which on paper should be around where we are now, half way up.

Was he an arrogant swine about it? Yes. Did he ever fully appreciate the fans/club? Probably not. Did he rub people up the wrong way? Absolutely. Would he ever have built us into a side of winner? I highly doubt it.

However we are struggling to match his consistency for a reason, it was not as straightforward as it seems.
 
The Esk said:
If we had the resourced say of Liverpool or Tottenham would we have chosen Martinez as manager to replace Moyes in 2013?

The answer is no. Martinez is doing a superb job in creating an attacking team playing the best football in the PL at present going forward. But he has a fundamental weakness - he cannot coach defending to save his life. He's flawed until.he learns that aspect of the game.

To quote Sir Alex "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles."
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If this takeover completes and they invest into the team do you think that they will be looking at a new manager then?
 

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