Roberto Martinez discussion

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Woolly Blue said:
Spot on.

I havn't seen a replay, so will stand corrected if I'm wrong, but it looked like there was contact for the penalty from where I was, which was pretty close and, these days, if you go to ground and allow contact to happen then you're likely to get punished for it.

We're ace going forwards, but panic too much when defending. Some of that is down to inexperience, but if Martinez can rightly be praised for putting together such a great attacking ( young ) team, then equally he can be criticised for not getting the defense working together properly.
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I think it's the sort of pen where stones has made clattenburgs mind up by going down, getting the ball or not there's not need and you've made his mind up. What I mean is if it was the other way round we'd be absolutely fuming if it wasn't given.
 
Woolly Blue said:
Spot on.

I havn't seen a replay, so will stand corrected if I'm wrong, but it looked like there was contact for the penalty from where I was, which was pretty close and, these days, if you go to ground and allow contact to happen then you're likely to get punished for it.

We're ace going forwards, but panic too much when defending. Some of that is down to inexperience, but if Martinez can rightly be praised for putting together such a great attacking ( young ) team, then equally he can be criticised for not getting the defense working together properly.
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Most of us are blind folded (spelling) when it comes to penalty. In particular we don't get even one this season. Whenever we concede a penalty, some will blame it on ref no matter how bad the foul was.
 

ilikecheese said:
Goodness me this thread.

Newsflash: He's not going anywhere.

Frustrating run of results for sure though. We are so boss going forward at times. So naive defensively. I guess that's part of the growing process with a bunch of young/inexperienced players at the back.
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Predicting that he's not going anywhere is probably the safest prediction in football. So what if he isn't, does that mean he gets off without any critical observation of his under performance?

Ultimately our youth and inexperience (if you wish to see it this way) is Martinez's choice. Coleman has neither issue so there is no excuse for his rank form, Stones has had two and a half seasons now and is a full international, when does the 'inexperience' line wear thin? If he's not learning why is he in the first team? If the defence was crying out for experience why did Martinez go and buy a player with no prem experience in Mori? I don't think he's a bad player by the way. Equally why did he select Galloway over Baines or over Garbutt who is on loan.

My main point is people need to stop divorcing negative outcomes from the manager's decisions. If we have a young team, its because Martinez has tailored his transfer model that way, if we have a poor keeper its because Martinez keeps selecting him, Howard's 'individual errors' are Martinez's every time he keeps picking him. If we have an inexperienced defence that is the outcome of Martinez's selections and transfer policies. Otherwise the argument can be thrown the other way to say that Lukaku would score whoever he played for so Martinez doesn't deserve credit for that. That's illogical, the same way disassociating all the negative aspects of our team from Martinez is also illogical. He singularly owns al of the good and the bad.
 

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