Tim Howard

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Based on what? I can't claim to have seen every match played by every team in the Premier League this season, but I can see that we've conceded more shots on target that any team other than Newcastle and Sunderland, but we're only in the middle of the pack in goals conceded (tied for twelfth). Unless you think that there's some quirk of our defending that makes us concede a whole lot of weak shots on target (which, considering how many of them are close range headers, one-on-ones, or penalty kicks, seems unlikely), I'd say most of the other goalkeepers aren't doing any better.

He's crap.

 

[mlyons]

There are a shocking number of crap goalkeepers in the Premier League, then.

 

[Chang Elephant]

There are a shocking number of crap goalkeepers in the Premier League, then.

Crap with a capital C though, like Tim ?

 

[SweetJesus849]

Based on what? I can't claim to have seen every match played by every team in the Premier League this season, but I can see that we've conceded more shots on target that any team other than Newcastle and Sunderland, but we're only in the middle of the pack in goals conceded (tied for twelfth). Unless you think that there's some quirk of our defending that makes us concede a whole lot of weak shots on target (which, considering how many of them are close range headers, one-on-ones, or penalty kicks, seems unlikely), I'd say most of the other goalkeepers aren't doing any better.

The only teams that have conceded more than us lie 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 19th, and 20th. Swansea, in 18th, are level with us, and Leicester, the complete anomaly in this instance, are top as we all know.

I'm not saying Howard is at fault for every goal we concede, because he's not. But you can look at goals against sides like City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Rooney's goal the other week, and say he couldn't have done any more? Where you can look at the goal and say yes, he should have taken charge, made the ball his, not dived out the way or done that ridiculous star jumping nonsense. The inability to leave his line and make the ball his has seen us concede against sides like West Brom, Sunderland, Norwich and Palace off really soft crosses that fall in and around his 6 yard box that he simply hasn't taken control of, and it's costing us points.

I can't really fault him for Saturday, was surprised he stayed on the pitch mind, and it's not as if he's the only player who has made calamitous mistakes, even on some of the goals I've mentioned there. But he's certainly not a strong point that defence.

 

[AJC5]

The only teams that have conceded more than us lie 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 19th, and 20th. Swansea, in 18th, are level with us, and Leicester, the complete anomaly in this instance, are top as we all know.

I'm not saying Howard is at fault for every goal we concede, because he's not. But you can look at goals against sides like City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Rooney's goal the other week, and say he couldn't have done any more? Where you can look at the goal and say yes, he should have taken charge, made the ball his, not dived out the way or done that ridiculous star jumping nonsense. The inability to leave his line and make the ball his has seen us concede against sides like West Brom, Sunderland, Norwich and Palace off really soft crosses that fall in and around his 6 yard box that he simply hasn't taken control of, and it's costing us points.

I can't really fault him for Saturday, was surprised he stayed on the pitch mind, and it's not as if he's the only player who has made calamitous mistakes, even on some of the goals I've mentioned there. But he's certainly not a strong point that defence.

I can fault him. The second goal was his fault. No reason to come rushing out and give away a penalty. How many penalties have Everton won like that in the last 5 years? I can't remember any. Most goalies know there is no point diving at strikers feet like that unless they are nailed on to win the ball. Howard does it at every opportunity because his judgement is very very poor. Cost us three points against Sunderland two years ago doing similar [Poor language removed] and also got sent off. Good goalies play like. Sweeper allowing their defence to push up. Lloris and the Bayern keeper show how this can be done. The only times Tim comes off his line is to concede a pen. If we had Nigel Martin back in goal we would be 10 points better off.

 

[mlyons]

The only teams that have conceded more than us lie 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 19th, and 20th. Swansea, in 18th, are level with us, and Leicester, the complete anomaly in this instance, are top as we all know.

I'm not saying Howard is at fault for every goal we concede, because he's not. But you can look at goals against sides like City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Rooney's goal the other week, and say he couldn't have done any more? Where you can look at the goal and say yes, he should have taken charge, made the ball his, not dived out the way or done that ridiculous star jumping nonsense. The inability to leave his line and make the ball his has seen us concede against sides like West Brom, Sunderland, Norwich and Palace off really soft crosses that fall in and around his 6 yard box that he simply hasn't taken control of, and it's costing us points.

I can't really fault him for Saturday, was surprised he stayed on the pitch mind, and it's not as if he's the only player who has made calamitous mistakes, even on some of the goals I've mentioned there. But he's certainly not a strong point that defence.

The point isn't that he's blameless for all those goals; he's not. The point is that the same can be said for the majority of professional goalkeepers. I understand why people get upset at Howard for conceding soft goals, but just saying "he's not good enough" is ignoring the fact that most goalkeepers in the top leagues also aren't good enough by those standards. NSNO, I get it, but we don't heap this kind of abuse on Gareth Barry for not being as good as Sergio Busquets.

 

[efcfanwirral]

No one said there was, but he's still the starting goalkeeper, and we conceded a lot more with him in goal than we did the year prior.

For what it's worth, Howard conceded 44 in 31 and a half games with 7 clean sheets. Joel is down as conceding 6 in 6 and a half with 3 clean sheets - as Robles came on for Howard around half time against Stoke. And if you're using that argument about the 46 goals conceded in 04/05, Richard Wright made 7 appearances that season. He conceded 20 goals.

Granted there are a million and one other factors that could come into play, and I'm not disagreeing with that, by any stretch, but you can look at a number of goals we've conceded within the past 18 months or so and said that, for a good amount of them, that Tim should've done better.

The Joel stats say it all really! Unforgivable bringing Howard straight back in at the start of the year after Joel did so well - and until Howard leaves that's where we are really. Shame he didn't get sent off Saturday really

 

[evertonian thistle]

he's commentating the Arsenal-Man City game for NBC

I heard Howard slagging off Yaya Tour just after he had scored an absolutely amazing goal, dismissing Toure as a non tryer. The silence from Lee Dixon and the commentator was deafening.fast Becoming an all round arrogant embarrassment.

 

[Zatara]

Thats shocking.

He was asked by Dixon in the 11th minute 'in a game 10 minutes in are you wanting to have made a save by now? To get your eye in?' To which he replied 'you're still warming up at that point and organising your defence whilst reading the game'

 

[USABlue]

I heard Howard slagging off Yaya Tour just after he had scored an absolutely amazing goal, dismissing Toure as a non tryer. The silence from Lee Dixon and the commentator was deafening.fast Becoming an all round arrogant embarrassment.

That's not even what he said but as long as it fits your narrative....

 

[Jeff Jones]

If he'd stayed on his feet and just ran at the ball he would've got to it at the same time as Vardy and it is highly likely
that neither would've got control of it.

Tim is often accused of not coming off his line but in most of his howlers he's been a long way off it. What was he doing on
the edge of the six yard area for the third goal? He might have been able to stop it if he'd been on the goal line as it passed
fairly close to his right and I saw no reason in the lead up for him to be where he was.

I agree that there are few goalies around who don't make many mistakes, but we've seen enough to think Joel should be
given his chance. Tim is going to be replaced soon, anyway, so it makes sense to start the process now.

 

[mawders]

The Joel stats say it all really! Unforgivable bringing Howard straight back in at the start of the year after Joel did so well - and until Howard leaves that's where we are really. Shame he didn't get sent off Saturday really

I was just thinking that myself

 

[Zatara]

Lol what did you hear him say?

That's not even what he said but as long as it fits your narrative....

 

[evertonian thistle]

That's not even what he said but as long as it fits your narrative....

I have no narrative, was just watching the last 30 minutes of a game that I had very little interest in, So pray tell me what you heard him saying then,,,,

 

[AJC5]

The point isn't that he's blameless for all those goals; he's not. The point is that the same can be said for the majority of professional goalkeepers. I understand why people get upset at Howard for conceding soft goals, but just saying "he's not good enough" is ignoring the fact that most goalkeepers in the top leagues also aren't good enough by those standards. NSNO, I get it, but we don't heap this kind of abuse on Gareth Barry for not being as good as Sergio Busquets.

Most goalies actually are ok and don't make that many mistakes. I've never rated Howard. Occassionally has a blinder but makes too many basic errors in terms of handling, positioning and footwork and his distribution and lack of movement off his line put us on the back foot. Still blame him for that lampard goal in the cup final.