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Everton’s numerous defensive weaknesses laid bare by razor-sharp Leicester
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Everton saw their recent slump slip into malaise territory as league-leading Leicester stormed to a 3-2 victory at Goodison Park. Roberto Martinez is not alone in finding Claudio Ranieri’s wonderfully simple side unconquerable this season, but the extent to which he played into his opponent’s hands was concerning. The lively encounter followed the pattern of both Everton’s recent squandering and Leicester’s consistent profiting as the illusion of dominance was punctured on the counter. The predictable but currently undefendable Riyad Mahrez and Jamie Vardy cut the home side to pieces, and Leicester waltzed on victorious.

The hallmarks were all there. Everton had more possession, more shots, more corners and yet… It’s been the same for a few weeks albeit against relative weak attacks. A side as charged and confident as Leicester will expose you. And that’s what happened. All three of the visitors’ goals exploited well-known Everton deficiencies: an absence of midfield pressing, centre-back errors, vulnerability to pace on the counter, and inadequate goalkeeping. The acceptance of these weaknesses – Martinez’s biggest flaw – continues to undermine Everton.

Shinzi Okazaki revealed naivety and panic in Ramiro Funes Mori who hauled him down. Mahrez took advantage of Everton’s failure to close down to perfectly release Vardy to draw Tim Howard’s foul, the slick Algerian scoring on both occasions from the spot. Vardy and Okazaki and, it must be said, a handball were at it again for the third goal as the former laid it on a plate for his teammate. Everton’s flat-footed centre-backs were too distant, the midfield was static. Worryingly, this is what it’s supposed to be like. This is how Martinez fully intends to keep setting up his side.

Everton conceded 1.32 goals per Premier League game last season, up from 1.02 in Martinez’s first year. That’s risen to 1.41 so far this season, still, at the very least, some way off Martinez’s appalling four-year Wigan average of 1.80. For all the exciting attacking he inspires, and for all the excellent work he does in developing young players, Martinez cannot coach defending. Seven years, 245 Premier League games, 388 goals (1.6 per game) seems a representative enough sample: so far in England’s top flight, Martinez has failed to instil effective defending. The one season his side defended well, David Moyes had done the vast majority of the preparation.

Insanity or vanity?
Martinez studies the figures. He’ll know how remarkably bad his defensive record is. In which case, why does he not tweak his tactics? Surely, by now, seven years into a Premier League career largely characterised by bad defending he should be tightening up? Isn’t a fundamental rethink of his defensive approach long overdue? This is ignoring the hole in your shoe and going out in the rain, a Premier League manager who fails to interpret conceding 1.58 goals per game for seven years as a reason for change.

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Last season at Goodison, Leicester earned a 2-2 draw thanks in the main to Esteban Cambiasso who bossed the game from the centre and scored from seven yards. Goals in the 63rd and 69th minutes saw Everton playing catch-up in a game they’d ‘controlled’. On Saturday, goals in the 65th and 69th minutes – a discouragingly similar pattern of ineptitude – had precisely the same effect. With Cambiasso’s seamless replacement N’Golo Kanté both sitting in front of his back four and playing box-to-box, the Foxes bore all the organisational class Everton lack, despite missing three first-choice defenders through injury and suspension.

Romelu Lukaku finished well for his seventh in seven league games, to leave even the record-breaking Vardy concerned, Ross Barkley flicked magnificently for sub Kevin Mirallas to swipe home, John Stones, in the main, had Vardy in his pocket. But even these elements have become sources of frustration. Everton have some truly outstanding young players – a Rolls Royce centre-half, a powerful, skilful number 10, a world-class winger and a ridiculously in-form, prolific centre-forward. But they’re all being hindered by their manager’s inability to organise his defence properly, or at least notice Everton have essentially played with a parody of a goalkeeper for 18 months.

There are gaping, genuinely quite horrendous flaws in Martinez’s approach to defending. The midfield presses slower than pensioners at cash machines, the centre-backs are constantly nervy, they fail to get tight enough and can be easily turned. Everton do not practice defending set pieces (For Christ’s sake). Defenders set up too high and stand too far apart, or drop too deep and fail to close the ball in front of a goalkeeper whose attributes are all weaknesses. A low-profile and stunning FA Cup success might have hidden Martinez’s fundamental defensive inability for some time, but it’s out in the open now, and can no longer be denied. Unless Martinez rapidly reverses the trend of defensive iandequacy which has defined his career in England, Everton have no chance of progressing.


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I set that total because of the point we're at in terms of slotting together a group of young players. These are the ones who buy into Martinez's method completely. That's why I'd rather we persevered with Galloway rather than Baines, btw. Baines is from another manager's era.

Dont sneeze at 60 points though. I think we've managed it only about 6 times in about 25 years. It's a solid plateau to move off from next season when all are bedded into the method.
Reach only 60 points and Stones and Lukaku will be gone.
That will not give us a "solid plateau"
 
4-4-2 seem the be the most effective formation in the league at the moment. Watford and Leicester for instance.

Some analysis showed teams that play two holding midfielders have struggled this season as teams are just playing around them and not through them.

Will Roberto ever try with out two holding players?
 
NAIL ON HEAD

"In front of a goalkeeper whose attributes are all weaknesses".

Rest of it is insane.


Everton’s numerous defensive weaknesses laid bare by razor-sharp Leicester
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Everton saw their recent slump slip into malaise territory as league-leading Leicester stormed to a 3-2 victory at Goodison Park. Roberto Martinez is not alone in finding Claudio Ranieri’s wonderfully simple side unconquerable this season, but the extent to which he played into his opponent’s hands was concerning. The lively encounter followed the pattern of both Everton’s recent squandering and Leicester’s consistent profiting as the illusion of dominance was punctured on the counter. The predictable but currently undefendable Riyad Mahrez and Jamie Vardy cut the home side to pieces, and Leicester waltzed on victorious.

The hallmarks were all there. Everton had more possession, more shots, more corners and yet… It’s been the same for a few weeks albeit against relative weak attacks. A side as charged and confident as Leicester will expose you. And that’s what happened. All three of the visitors’ goals exploited well-known Everton deficiencies: an absence of midfield pressing, centre-back errors, vulnerability to pace on the counter, and inadequate goalkeeping. The acceptance of these weaknesses – Martinez’s biggest flaw – continues to undermine Everton.

Shinzi Okazaki revealed naivety and panic in Ramiro Funes Mori who hauled him down. Mahrez took advantage of Everton’s failure to close down to perfectly release Vardy to draw Tim Howard’s foul, the slick Algerian scoring on both occasions from the spot. Vardy and Okazaki and, it must be said, a handball were at it again for the third goal as the former laid it on a plate for his teammate. Everton’s flat-footed centre-backs were too distant, the midfield was static. Worryingly, this is what it’s supposed to be like. This is how Martinez fully intends to keep setting up his side.

Everton conceded 1.32 goals per Premier League game last season, up from 1.02 in Martinez’s first year. That’s risen to 1.41 so far this season, still, at the very least, some way off Martinez’s appalling four-year Wigan average of 1.80. For all the exciting attacking he inspires, and for all the excellent work he does in developing young players, Martinez cannot coach defending. Seven years, 245 Premier League games, 388 goals (1.6 per game) seems a representative enough sample: so far in England’s top flight, Martinez has failed to instil effective defending. The one season his side defended well, David Moyes had done the vast majority of the preparation.

Insanity or vanity?
Martinez studies the figures. He’ll know how remarkably bad his defensive record is. In which case, why does he not tweak his tactics? Surely, by now, seven years into a Premier League career largely characterised by bad defending he should be tightening up? Isn’t a fundamental rethink of his defensive approach long overdue? This is ignoring the hole in your shoe and going out in the rain, a Premier League manager who fails to interpret conceding 1.58 goals per game for seven years as a reason for change.

Roberto_Martinez.jpg
Last season at Goodison, Leicester earned a 2-2 draw thanks in the main to Esteban Cambiasso who bossed the game from the centre and scored from seven yards. Goals in the 63rd and 69th minutes saw Everton playing catch-up in a game they’d ‘controlled’. On Saturday, goals in the 65th and 69th minutes – a discouragingly similar pattern of ineptitude – had precisely the same effect. With Cambiasso’s seamless replacement N’Golo Kanté both sitting in front of his back four and playing box-to-box, the Foxes bore all the organisational class Everton lack, despite missing three first-choice defenders through injury and suspension.

Romelu Lukaku finished well for his seventh in seven league games, to leave even the record-breaking Vardy concerned, Ross Barkley flicked magnificently for sub Kevin Mirallas to swipe home, John Stones, in the main, had Vardy in his pocket. But even these elements have become sources of frustration. Everton have some truly outstanding young players – a Rolls Royce centre-half, a powerful, skilful number 10, a world-class winger and a ridiculously in-form, prolific centre-forward. But they’re all being hindered by their manager’s inability to organise his defence properly, or at least notice Everton have essentially played with a parody of a goalkeeper for 18 months.

There are gaping, genuinely quite horrendous flaws in Martinez’s approach to defending. The midfield presses slower than pensioners at cash machines, the centre-backs are constantly nervy, they fail to get tight enough and can be easily turned. Everton do not practice defending set pieces (For Christ’s sake). Defenders set up too high and stand too far apart, or drop too deep and fail to close the ball in front of a goalkeeper whose attributes are all weaknesses. A low-profile and stunning FA Cup success might have hidden Martinez’s fundamental defensive inability for some time, but it’s out in the open now, and can no longer be denied. Unless Martinez rapidly reverses the trend of defensive iandequacy which has defined his career in England, Everton have no chance of progressing.


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Nothing is a bit unfair. I agree it's not success though.

In reality it is. Who care if you get into semi or even lost in a cup? Being 2nd in a cup is nothing. It ain't a silverware. In 2009 we were beaten in the FA Cup final I think you won't say it was a kind of achievement.
 
What is he building though mate.
Our jewels will be gone come the summer the way we are sliding down the table.
We are unfit and play for 45 minutes.
The same things go wrong every game and he does not know how to fix them.
He is not getting the best out of the players and by picking favourites all the time he is winding oyers up

Our jewels may move on, but sadly for a club like us that is inevitable.
We have players to cover the losses of Stones, McCarthy we will struggle with the loss of Lukaku...saying that people said that with Linekar, and the following season we won the league.
Over the favourites I guess you mean Howard, I wouldn't disagree. If you mean Barry at this moment there is no better than him.
Tiredness unsure over this as we have scored a fair few late goals and always look like having enough at the end of games to get something
Over getting the best out of the players, if honest I think people think the players we have our better than they actually are. I will say they have potential, but we need to be careful that we build this team up as something it isn't.
This isn't jumping on the defending RM boast, simply what I see...I guess you will say I as blind as a bat
 

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