Roberto Martinez discussion

[chicoazul]

This team will not be staying together if we don't get Top 4 anyway. Which we won't under Martinez.

That's my primary concern mate. Will just have to wait and see. We're progressing and a lot of time left in the season to sling something together performance wise.

 

[Kiwi]

Martinez seemingly sent the players out with the impression Norwich were gonna be that bad. Poor management.

These last dropped 6 points are all on Martinez. It's the manager's force of personality which makes sure his team are fully-focussed shortly after scoring (ala Bournemouth) and don't let their heads drop after losing a comfortable lead (ala Norwich).

If Martinez can't show he has this massively-important quality, then there's no case to answer the plotters, as results won't go our way.

I guess as a German you would know all about force of personality though wouldn't you...
Why are you unable to accept that the players are more at fault than the manager on this one.

 

[BernieWright13]

This team will not be staying together if we don't get Top 4 anyway. Which we won't under Martinez.

Precisely the point

 

[cronullasharks]

Hahaha.

It's not your fault, you're part of a generation which insists on instant gratification.

You never had to comb council parks for discarded porn mags, you just clicked a button.

Haha we used to raid the skip bin out the back of the newsagent for the unsold copies

 

[chicoazul]

You see, I saw that last season > https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/martinez-the-reality.73441/

It hasn't come together as quick as I'd have liked.

Nobody's really calling for a change of manager, they're just questioning him. Nothing wrong with that.

Thank you for confirming my point about impatience in this "ME" generation.

 

[LocalNative]

Too often recently.

We need to win a back to back game.

When was the last time that happened?

The manager keeps talking about consistency, so it's good he recognises it. Consistency usually comes with some experience, but there's a lot of that. Howard, Barry, Cleverley, McCarthy, Kone, Baines, Lennon etc...

Can he really be blamed for the result though? Set the team up brilliantly, we raced out of the blocks and created chance after chance. Second half I imagine he said more of the same and Norwichs goal knocked the stuffing out of us. I think the players should stand up and take the blame for this, especially our inability to defend corners.

My worry was the lack of plan B.

 

[hktoffee]

Is it Martinez fault Lukaku couldn't finish his dinner today.

More down to the problem of setpieces perhaps?

 

[BernieWright13]

So Crystal Palace's fitness was inferior to ours?

Simple case of momentum mate. Norwich got the goal early doors second half and kicked on. Disappointing we couldn't wrestle it back.

Happens like.

Yeah it "happens like". Week in week out.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

What would he have to do for you to think "Yeah, not good enough"

For me, 8th or below (and no cup win) and I'd say twist.

Then that'll be two consecutive seasons we've underperformed.

 

[Axlswhk]

So Crystal Palace's fitness was inferior to ours?

Simple case of momentum mate. Norwich got the goal early doors second half and kicked on. Disappointing we couldn't wrestle it back.

Happens like.

How do you maintain momentum when you are unfit and your body is struggling to last 90mins mate.

 

[chicoazul]

Yeah it "happens like". Week in week out.

We've drew every game this season?

Nightmare.

 

[TrixyStevens]

Indeed we are. So let's give this young team a little bit of space to develop. These sort of games just prove they are inexperienced.

Disagree mate. Last season I had far more concerns. This year I can see him trying to gel together the best young team I've seen at Everton in 30 years.

There will be ups and downs but I don't reckon were far from clicking.

The fanbase needs to be a bit more patient towards the manager, he's setting the club up right in the position were in. From the youth teams too.

Would be a shame if we done a Geordie special and ruined a good thing before it had the chance to blossom.

We're going nowhere in a hurry with the ownership of the club we have right now, so why can't people wait a bit?

Agreed but I'd be surprised if he can keep the talent we have next season.
Disappointing as we are 2 players away from being a belter of a team.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

More down to the problem of setpieces perhaps?

Individual errors again.

 

[Boss_Blue]

This team will not be staying together if we don't get Top 4 anyway. Which we won't under Martinez.

What makes you say that mate?

 

[dannyboy]

Disagree mate. Last season I had far more concerns. This year I can see him trying to gel together the best young team I've seen at Everton in 30 years.

There will be ups and downs but I don't reckon were far from clicking.

The fanbase needs to be a bit more patient towards the manager, he's setting the club up right in the position were in. From the youth teams too.

Would be a shame if we done a Geordie special and ruined a good thing before it had the chance to blossom.

We're going nowhere in a hurry with the ownership of the club we have right now, so why can't people wait a bit?

I think the majority are more than prepared to be patient. Are players like Lukaku? We're a bid away in January from having everything come undone.

Worry for me is that we're not picking up the points whilst playing this way. Teams will get smart like Norwich did in the second half and we won't have it so 'easy'.

Football's a strange game, we get 7 points from the last 9 and I'm probably sat here on a train into Lime Street singing we're gonna win the league. Now I'm thinking we're doomed and Christmas shopping is a nightmare.