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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Hate to put water on your bonfire but Klopp signed the likes of Reus, Lewandowski, Gündogan, Hummels and Subotić during his tenure.

Worryingly, that to me shows that he is at least to some extent pretty astute when it comes to transfers; be that if they were his actual choices

Bar Coutinho (who is still not on par of Suarez or Sterling on worth) they've not got many assets left to pawn to help revitalise the squad.

So unless FSG put their hands in their pockets he may not get huge swathes of money, but I still worry he'll make some pretty effective signings.

Personally, his appointment is a concern as he is a good manager who will probably get his squad playing well and will add some good players.

Wasn't Lewandowski already there. Besides a comittee makes the transfers there.

Good to see an English footbal club, importing a foreign coach to play high tempo and pressing football, the exact attributes Englush football and coaches Are renowned for.

It can only end well.
 

I'll be honest, this gegenpressing lark looks an awful lot like school football (under7's).........

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That's exactly what this is. There's always been teams who have used the front line especially to press intently and be the 'first line of defence'. It's all derivative. All changes in football are just tweaks or incremental in nature and never are the revolution that the footy industry tries to sell them to us as.

How is Klopp's approach substantially different to Royle's when he turned up and got a dilatory team at Everton to tighten up and compete ferociously for the ball and then when it broke our way rely on players like Limpar or Kanchelskis to do their stuff, spearheaded by players like Rideout? I was reading that Limpar once described to Swedish journalists that Everton's style under Royle was like hunting with wolves. We've seen Klopp's 'full throttle' football on Merseyside before. Royle's team was the prototype. Of course, when that Everton side pressed it was mocked by the Kopites as anti-football; now they're doing it and it's the blueprint for European ascendancy.

They're gullible and laughable clowns. They'll eat up all the nonsense about gegenpresse and full throttle and heavy metal football and believe themselves to be on the cusp of a new way of playing...when it's all old hat. Hilarious.

This is absolutely the case. I think Klopp will do this into overdrive because ultimately with the exception of two players (Coutinho/Sturridge) it is about the best he can get out of his squad.

High pressing football has been tried and ridiculed by most though. You mention Royle but I'll throw another couple of names out there, Sherwood and Moyes. This is in essence what they both did when they first arrived at the clubs. On both occasions in heralded some impressive immediate results but in both cases (particularly Sherwood) he has very little to offer beyond that (it's why I knew the Villa bubble would burst).

I've played in the odd team where the manager has adopted that strategy. As a player it is great. All you need to do is work hard and be fit. As long as you try you are not criticised. The problem is, when the results turn and sides work you out and you get demoralised it becomes a lot harder.

I see a lot of worrying signs for Liverpool with Klopp in charge. 0-0 is a decent result at Spurs but he's been telling the press that 0-0 in a decent "natural" result for a football game. It reminds me very much of how Moyes/Smith were but with a more demented smile and a trendy pair of trainers instead of his mums cardie. Treating 0-0 as a satisfactory result will not go very far though. I think he is slowly waking up to the fact that his squad is very limited with attacking options and all he can do is keep it tight. Anyone who thinks Lallana, Coutinho and Sturridge are going to be Goetze/Reus & Levandovski needs to smell the coffee. Clearly Klopp has after 1 week.

I would also see worrying signs from Klopps first game. 0-0 and he made no attempt to go for the win and brought on defensive substitutions. He had a German right back playing central midfield alongside an Anchor man. He substituted off Coutinho then for Joe Allen and kept Milner (who is a one paced defensive midfielder now) on at right wing ahead of a natural right winger (Ibe). He finished the game with Can, Milner, Lucas and Allen in his midfield. Compare that with our manager. Who talks of not fearing losing 5-4 or preferring to win 5-4 that 2-0. Someone who wherever he is willing to make attacking changes to win the game if we are drawing.

That performance at Spurs has alarming signs to me already. If you'd have asked me how Moyes would have managed that game I'd have said exactly that. Bigging up 0-0's before the game. His whole strategy based around how to press the opponents. Starting ageing defensive midfielders as creative wide men while leaving creative players on the bench. Hooking off the one creative player they had left for another Defensive midfielder (the 4th one) to settle for the 0-0. This sounds rather familiar eh?

As a final aside there have also been a Speight of injuries one week into the job. It would seem obvious to almost anyone that Sturridge is a major injury problem for them and will not be able to survive the boot camp approach that Klopp is employing. He is the only guy they've got who can convert a chance out of nothing. A sensible manager would be tailoring a strategy for him. But who needs strikers who score goals when you are playing for 0-0! I think Origi will hold down his place. Ultimately a terrible footballer but a willing runner who will work the channels (ah la Marcus Bent).
 
This is absolutely the case. I think Klopp will do this into overdrive because ultimately with the exception of two players (Coutinho/Sturridge) it is about the best he can get out of his squad.

High pressing football has been tried and ridiculed by most though. You mention Royle but I'll throw another couple of names out there, Sherwood and Moyes. This is in essence what they both did when they first arrived at the clubs. On both occasions in heralded some impressive immediate results but in both cases (particularly Sherwood) he has very little to offer beyond that (it's why I knew the Villa bubble would burst).

I've played in the odd team where the manager has adopted that strategy. As a player it is great. All you need to do is work hard and be fit. As long as you try you are not criticised. The problem is, when the results turn and sides work you out and you get demoralised it becomes a lot harder.

I see a lot of worrying signs for Liverpool with Klopp in charge. 0-0 is a decent result at Spurs but he's been telling the press that 0-0 in a decent "natural" result for a football game. It reminds me very much of how Moyes/Smith were but with a more demented smile and a trendy pair of trainers instead of his mums cardie. Treating 0-0 as a satisfactory result will not go very far though. I think he is slowly waking up to the fact that his squad is very limited with attacking options and all he can do is keep it tight. Anyone who thinks Lallana, Coutinho and Sturridge are going to be Goetze/Reus & Levandovski needs to smell the coffee. Clearly Klopp has after 1 week.

I would also see worrying signs from Klopps first game. 0-0 and he made no attempt to go for the win and brought on defensive substitutions. He had a German right back playing central midfield alongside an Anchor man. He substituted off Coutinho then for Joe Allen and kept Milner (who is a one paced defensive midfielder now) on at right wing ahead of a natural right winger (Ibe). He finished the game with Can, Milner, Lucas and Allen in his midfield. Compare that with our manager. Who talks of not fearing losing 5-4 or preferring to win 5-4 that 2-0. Someone who wherever he is willing to make attacking changes to win the game if we are drawing.

That performance at Spurs has alarming signs to me already. If you'd have asked me how Moyes would have managed that game I'd have said exactly that. Bigging up 0-0's before the game. His whole strategy based around how to press the opponents. Starting ageing defensive midfielders as creative wide men while leaving creative players on the bench. Hooking off the one creative player they had left for another Defensive midfielder (the 4th one) to settle for the 0-0. This sounds rather familiar eh?

As a final aside there have also been a Speight of injuries one week into the job. It would seem obvious to almost anyone that Sturridge is a major injury problem for them and will not be able to survive the boot camp approach that Klopp is employing. He is the only guy they've got who can convert a chance out of nothing. A sensible manager would be tailoring a strategy for him. But who needs strikers who score goals when you are playing for 0-0! I think Origi will hold down his place. Ultimately a terrible footballer but a willing runner who will work the channels (ah la Marcus Bent).
Your right about that Spurs game. It was a dire effort. Let's have it right: if Rodgers had presided over that anti-football mess he'd have had the phone ins in meltdown telling him to get out of their club. It was just awful. The talk of the punters of refreshing workrate was all about polishing a turd. It was a negative and dire spectacle.

As you say, you look across that squad available and there's not much dynamism there. It'll take a few transfer windows to begin to resolve that. But the £300M wasn't completely flushed down the toilet and I'd expect Klopp to fashion some results out of the squad he has...if he's up to it.
 

The modern pressing style prevalent in football today is credited to the Dynamo Kyiv team of the 80's isn't it? Lobonovsky I think. Sacchi at Milan too but that was more the high line pressure the ball type stuff.

Every team employs it to some degree, its become part and parcel of the game. (I don't think the South American leagues employ it much though as there often derided for allowing flair players ample time and space. I could be wrong on that though.) Even Barcelona do it! I don't see all the fuss about Klopp taking it to the Nth degree.
 
Your right about that Spurs game. It was a dire effort. Let's have it right: if Rodgers had presided over that anti-football mess he'd have had the phone ins in meltdown telling him to get out of their club. It was just awful. The talk of the punters of refreshing workrate was all about polishing a turd. It was a negative and dire spectacle.

As you say, you look across that squad available and there's not much dynamism there. It'll take a few transfer windows to begin to resolve that. But the £300M wasn't completely flushed down the toilet and I'd expect Klopp to fashion some results out of the squad he has...if he's up to it.

Yes. Drawing 0-0 is one thing but had made no attempt to try and win that game. Given their position in the league and how they have messed up some very easy home games 0-0 is not going to get them champions league football. I think to finish a game you having scored in with the 4 midfield players I've mentioned is a very poor show.

I think Klopp will have an immediate affect and a bit of a honeymoon period. Much like Sherwood, but I do think he will be caught out big time come the second half of the season. Bear in mind a lot of Kopites bizarrely think they are going to be competing with City come the end of the season. If they get to the end of January and still languishing in mind table then it will slowly start to sink in that the second coming of Jesus is just a naughty boy.
 
didn't they win 5-0 at spurs under Brenda...and somehow a 0-0 draw there is a great show of progress!

We got a draw there this season...as did Stoke

After years of them saying they played the best passing football in the league, they will now claim that whatever they are doing under Klopp is in fact the best football in the league. Klopp is lucky Gerrard is not there anymore. Rafael and Brendan tried to implement new styles of play but Stevie Me never allowed it. As long as he was in the team they played kick and rush with him swinging long balls out to fast strikers then a load of midfielders pounding after any loose balls. The irony is that Liverpool think they're getting a new way of playing whereas in reality they've played this way for most of the premier league. They do not have the players or the patience to play on the front foot controlling the game trying to break down the opposition. Even when they had a far superior team to us under Rafael we would go to Anfield and they would just hit a long ball, wait for you to get on it then try and smash us off it. Klopp will be perfect for the type of football their fans want to see. As the entire history of the prem has shown though, you can't win a league playing this type of football.
 

didn't they win 5-0 at spurs under Brenda...and somehow a 0-0 draw there is a great show of progress!

We got a draw there this season...as did Stoke

Ah yes but they'd just invested (sorry, for invested read wasted) £16M plus wages on Super Mario ("Plan B-alotelli") and, if you remember the "welcome to Anfield" (aka you're one of us) letter to the Italian Stale-one then you'll know he put in his 90 minutes worth of effort for the season in that one game..
 
After years of them saying they played the best passing football in the league, they will now claim that whatever they are doing under Klopp is in fact the best football in the league. Klopp is lucky Gerrard is not there anymore. Rafael and Brendan tried to implement new styles of play but Stevie Me never allowed it. As long as he was in the team they played kick and rush with him swinging long balls out to fast strikers then a load of midfielders pounding after any loose balls. The irony is that Liverpool think they're getting a new way of playing whereas in reality they've played this way for most of the premier league. They do not have the players or the patience to play on the front foot controlling the game trying to break down the opposition. Even when they had a far superior team to us under Rafael we would go to Anfield and they would just hit a long ball, wait for you to get on it then try and smash us off it. Klopp will be perfect for the type of football their fans want to see. As the entire history of the prem has shown though, you can't win a league playing this type of football.

But why didn't they just buy Barton, Nolan, Kevin Davies, Cattermoll etc.. Imagine how many more points they could have earned with those thugs behind Suarez and alongside Gerrard.
 
But why didn't they just buy Barton, Nolan, Kevin Davies, Cattermoll etc.. Imagine how many more points they could have earned with those thugs behind Suarez and alongside Gerrard.

They've bought very similar type players just of slightly higher quality. Kuyt, Henderson Lucas Milner Allen Can all have very limited ability and their only value comes from being able to run fast and hard. The likes of Coutinho, Sterling even Sturridge have only looked good when Suarez was there. The rest of the time their natural game was stifled. Same goes for the likes of Markovic, Aquilani, Luis Garcia, Benayoun etc. Most flair players they've had recently apart from Suarez have been pushed out the side. Benitez even lost patience with Alonso who is hardly a flair player himself.
 

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