ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[ToffeeDan]

BT Sport present:

Tottenham Hotspur v JK's Rolling and Diving XI*

*The Prisoners of 3 Match Ban.

 

[Yorkie]

I am quite sure fans of any and all major football clubs across the globe have done this on occasion to get into a big match.

And who are we kidding.....many of us on here would have no qualms about doing such a thing if it was the only way to get a ticket for a big Final at Wembley

Fair point, I'm not judging I was just saying they shouldn't be judged for it either. Also first time I've seen Stoke away compared to a cup final!

 

[Ihaters]

Fair point, I'm not judging I was just saying they shouldn't be judged for it either. Also first time I've seen Stoke away compared to a cup final!

I've never done it so I am gonna judge the s... out of him

 

[Blueblooded]

Well yes. A lot of Kopites I speak seem to saying they'd have preferred Klopp because "he's nuts" compared to Ancelotti and they can "build a cult of the manager". What sort of human wants to build a cult in the first place I don't know. Aside from that, cult heroes are not anointed they become organically from winning things. I hate Shankley but it's hard to begrudge his role as a cult leader. You can't create that aura though it is hard earned. A pair of converse a wacky hair transplant and a pair of converse certainly can't.

What this whole episode shows though is just how low Liverpool has sunk. They'd rather win arguments amongst international "fans" on twitter than win trophies. They've become the sort of people who go "I'm mental I am" when you know they are boring and dull. They are the annoying attention seeking kid nobody likes at school who has convinced themselves is popular and only bullies dislike.

Ferguson summed them up best when he said they turned up to Wembley in stupid white suits while Manchester United went home with the trophy. This Klopp appointment seems to be a bit like that. They could have had a successful, world class manager like Ancelotti but ultimately he is just too boring for them. The man has too much dignity, self respect and decency to ever fit in there.

They don't want to win. They want to play out their own therapy about not being relevant anymore. I think for a lot of them they enjoyed not winning the league and all the drama more than most fans enjoy winning the thing as it fills their need for attention. When they start eulogising about that season where they won nothing most of it seems to centre around "how everyone feared us". "How we won everyone's respect." "How the bitters cried when we beat them 4-0". "How the Mancs were in pain when we beat them". One of them was even going on about how they were "the best team in Europe and the talk of the continent". I couldn't face it to tell him that they finished below a side that got knocked out of the group stage of the champions league. The truth is really just too painful for most of them.

What got me though was that very little of their enjoyment of the season was about nearly winning the league. It was about how they could basically mock others around them. Most Evertonians don't remember winning the Cup in 95, or the league in 87 by remembering how we got to humiliate and tease rival fans.

The Klopp appointment basically plays into that dialectic perfectly. They just want people to notice them again. They could have had a winner but they'd rather have a "mental character" who'll make them laugh. It's sad how far they've fallen.

Agree with every word apart from the last sentence. It's not in the least bit sad; it's poetic effing justice / karma / exactly what they deserve - and long may it continue.

I actually got into a conversation with an older couple on holiday recently - he was carrying an RS carrier bag and we got to discussing (among other things) Brenda and Klopp. My most derogatory comment was 'you don't support that lot do you?' but when I revealed I supported Everton (not obvious cos I'm not a native), the reaction of the wife was to mime pushing me and aiming a kick at me while the auld fella waved me away and uttered the single word 'Cheats!'

Yet we're the bitter ones...? They can't stand the fact that so many football fans (save for the sycophants infesting the media) detest / dismiss them. A guy with something of a messiah complex chooses to try to become the saviour of a club with a Kult-ish following? He'll get all the adulation he craves...for a while. Hope he knows what he's let himself in for....

 

[toffeejack]

Why do they always go overboard.

With the FSW they were all faux Spaniards.

Now they all love German stuff, they're just plain weird.

Absolute bellends of the highest calibre.

Lets just hope they don't kill or maim anyone this year.

ha, can you imagine everyone started turning up at goodison in brown shoes and slick spanish hairstyles.

you can bet your bottom dollar that there'll be dozens of them turning up at the next match with fake glasses and a cap, just you watch.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

No matter how they behave, how much they screw up, how much money they waste, they ALWAYS come up smelling of roses.

Appoint two clueless managers on the spin, waste £300m, and then behave so classlessly as to sack that manager over the phone? No worries, we'll just get Jurgen Klopp

Genuinely concerned about how well he could potentially do over there

 

[Ashtonian]

I get why they appointed klopp i really do. and for them reasons he is the right man for the job, young, can control all aspects of the players, track record of buying players and developing them into better ones, work on a budget and can buy the right players etc All those reasons are fine.

But

Surely giving Ancelotti an open cheque and saying do what you want with the team would have pretty much guaranteed success? Ambition like, throw enough money at him and he would have came (ala sanchez) and back him a little and this winning the league dream may have came true quite quickly.

I'm a big fan of ancelotti, a manager who has won titles in italy/spain/france/england to name a few is a proven manager which does make it odd that liverpool didn't go for that and at least bring some success to the club.

 

[Zatara]

The other post (which you replied to) I mentioned about them needing a local idol.

Well they dont have any and nor to they have any foreign idols...

This is why they needed Klopp as they have no players they can pin up. Even the club seems to recognise this with all the klopp merchandise.

Meanwhile over in reality we have Barkley,Stones, Lukaku as well as many others such as Deulofeu,McCarthy, Besic and of course Galloway etc coming through....more than enough players to have as poster boys.

Well yes. A lot of Kopites I speak seem to saying they'd have preferred Klopp because "he's nuts" compared to Ancelotti and they can "build a cult of the manager". What sort of human wants to build a cult in the first place I don't know. Aside from that, cult heroes are not anointed they become organically from winning things. I hate Shankley but it's hard to begrudge his role as a cult leader. You can't create that aura though it is hard earned. A pair of converse a wacky hair transplant and a pair of converse certainly can't.

What this whole episode shows though is just how low Liverpool has sunk. They'd rather win arguments amongst international "fans" on twitter than win trophies. They've become the sort of people who go "I'm mental I am" when you know they are boring and dull. They are the annoying attention seeking kid nobody likes at school who has convinced themselves is popular and only bullies dislike.

Ferguson summed them up best when he said they turned up to Wembley in stupid white suits while Manchester United went home with the trophy. This Klopp appointment seems to be a bit like that. They could have had a successful, world class manager like Ancelotti but ultimately he is just too boring for them. The man has too much dignity, self respect and decency to ever fit in there.

They don't want to win. They want to play out their own therapy about not being relevant anymore. I think for a lot of them they enjoyed not winning the league and all the drama more than most fans enjoy winning the thing as it fills their need for attention. When they start eulogising about that season where they won nothing most of it seems to centre around "how everyone feared us". "How we won everyone's respect." "How the bitters cried when we beat them 4-0". "How the Mancs were in pain when we beat them". One of them was even going on about how they were "the best team in Europe and the talk of the continent". I couldn't face it to tell him that they finished below a side that got knocked out of the group stage of the champions league. The truth is really just too painful for most of them.

What got me though was that very little of their enjoyment of the season was about nearly winning the league. It was about how they could basically mock others around them. Most Evertonians don't remember winning the Cup in 95, or the league in 87 by remembering how we got to humiliate and tease rival fans.

The Klopp appointment basically plays into that dialectic perfectly. They just want people to notice them again. They could have had a winner but they'd rather have a "mental character" who'll make them laugh. It's sad how far they've fallen.

 

[bignev23]

I get why they appointed klopp i really do. and for them reasons he is the right man for the job, young, can control all aspects of the players, track record of buying players and developing them into better ones, work on a budget and can buy the right players etc All those reasons are fine.

But

Surely giving Ancelotti an open cheque and saying do what you want with the team would have pretty much guaranteed success? Ambition like, throw enough money at him and he would have came (ala sanchez) and back him a little and this winning the league dream may have came true quite quickly.

I'm a big fan of ancelotti, a manager who has won titles in italy/spain/france/england to name a few is a proven manager which does make it odd that liverpool didn't go for that and at least bring some success to the club.

I enjoyed singing 'You're getting sacked in the mornin, sacked in the mornin' at Ancelotti when he was with Chelsea and we beat them, when Beckford scored that goal where he ran with it from our 18 yard box the full length of the pitch, he was actually sacked less than an hour later.

 

[Khalekan]

I enjoyed singing 'You're getting sacked in the mornin, sacked in the mornin' at Ancelotti when he was with Chelsea and we beat them, when Beckford scored that goal where he ran with it from our 18 yard box the full length of the pitch, he was actually sacked less than an hour later.

We are fast becoming the grim reaper of coaches at England's top clubs.

Ancelotti went after they played us up here......Moyes was fired after his first trip to Goodison with United.....and the dearly departed and sadly missed Brent made his last stand at Everton.

 

[Walken]

BT Sport present:

Tottenham Hotspur v JK's Rolling and Diving XI*

*The Prisoners of 3 Match Ban.

i pictured a team led by harry potter there

 

[Ashtonian]

I enjoyed singing 'You're getting sacked in the mornin, sacked in the mornin' at Ancelotti when he was with Chelsea and we beat them, when Beckford scored that goal where he ran with it from our 18 yard box the full length of the pitch, he was actually sacked less than an hour later.

Suppose that is the problem being a high profile manager. The high profile clubs are very risky to be employed by! chelsea sack managers for very little, real madrid have such high standards that the slightest thing will throw them off etc This guy won the champions league more than once and leagues everywhere he goes, crazy to think not even real want him after winning the EC

 

[dandydan]

Why do they always go overboard.

With the FSW they were all faux Spaniards.

Now they all love German stuff, they're just plain weird.

Absolute bellends of the highest calibre.

Lets just hope they don't kill or maim anyone this year.

It's not like Germans have ever had a capacity for violence.

 

[Walken]

ha, can you imagine everyone started turning up at goodison in brown shoes and slick spanish hairstyles.

you can bet your bottom dollar that there'll be dozens of them turning up at the next match with fake glasses and a cap, just you watch.

@Prevenger17 probably does that once he is finished with flight tracker

 

[ToffeeDan]

It's not like Germans have ever had a capacity for violence.

Like the modern Germans we can clearly look forward to Modern Kopite inviting in Syrian Refugees to stay. In fact they really should be directed to RAWK by the Home Office.