John Stones transfer saga

[Groucho]

No because slavery doesn't entail earning double a nurses annual salary on a weekly basis.

Anyone who has any 'sympathy' for a footballer being forced to adhere to their long term contract that they willingly signed is a complete idiot. Football isn't a normal job. Footballers are remunerated quite substantially in order to be controlled by their employers.

He signed a temporary contract, willingly, for which he is highly paid and comfortable.

This is not slavery.

 

[oldblue]

A world wide accepted defination of slavery is "if he or she is forced to work for another person without the ability on their part to unilaterally terminate the arrangement. I am not a fan of Blatter but this is the very issue he was trying to highlight some while ago

As for breaking his leg I guess you are talking about when playing football which surely would be an industrial injury but irrespective are you telling me that at the end of a contract the club would still pay his wages if he was not able to play elsewhere because of the injury

Football player contracts clash all over the place with law both here in the UK and even more so in EU

The clubs only in effect have one ace and that is the players registration and even then slowly but surely that power is being eroded. Save gross mis conduct you can't sack a player and save a club suffering an insolvency event you can't make them redundant.

First we had Bosman then we had Webster and football has had to respond by introducing rules around compensation for the likes of training and the transfer of a registration as opposed to the transfer of an employee

well you have missed out huge chunks of the definition of slavery most of which is to do with the person having no say in where they move at any given point or the terms of their contract and receiving no financial remuneration. You did use the word unilaterally which is exactly the point, the contract is a mutul agreement. He can break it but there are consequences.

 

[terraloon]

You're asking people to accept something that you've just said isn't a fact, and merely speculative?

All we know is that Bobby has actually said he's been poorly advised, so that at least gives enough credence to consider the possibility.

But isn't the statement he has been badly advised an opinion, speculative as opposed to a fact?

 

[Merseyzig]

The media have become the Wormtongue of the footballing parvenus' Saruman. That is what this present 'saga' allegorises. And as Gandalf imposingly observed : "at last we come to it, the great battle of our times".

I do like this, but it is in danger of appearing in "pseuds anonymous " in Private Eye.

 

[anton66]

Jose mourinho and every ex Chesea player on the radio/tv
Alan Shearer
Danny Murphy
Gary Lineker
Sky Sports
Airdrian Durham/and his boy Goughie
All of Talkshiite
Andy Gray
Mirror Trinity group
All other newspaper sports
journalists
BBC
BT sports
Aldo
Go and [Poor language removed] yourselves he's not for sale.
Please feel free to add the numerous others.

 

[RFUS]

But isn't the statement he has been badly advised an opinion, speculative as opposed to a fact?

Of course. Hence why I've used the word "if" a lot. I am considering all possibilities until I know what's actually happened.

 

[BoysInBlue]

People acting like there's no way back for him after the request... what rubbish.

Of course there is. Southall handed a few in, in 1990, all rejected and he stayed another 8 years.
Jeffers handed one in in 1999, rejected and stayed another 2 years.

In some conveniently forgotten history that few ever bring up, even Saint Stevie G, just 2 months after winning the CL, asked to leave Liverpool. Both him and the club released statements saying so. He stayed another 10 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4653041.stm

The point is, we can keep Stones, he's our player, and just because he's asked to leave now, doesn't mean anything. We make the decisions. And who knows how he'll feel in 1/3/6 months time. 2 of the 3 players mentioned in this post all changed their tune soon enough.

 

[Groucho]

People acting like there's no way back for him after the request... what rubbish.

Of course there is. Southall handed a few in, in 1990, all rejected and he stayed another 8 years.
Jeffers handed one in in 1999, rejected and stayed another 2 years.

In some conveniently forgotten history that few ever bring up, even Saint Stevie G, just 2 months after winning the CL, asked to Liverpool. Both him and the club released statements saying so. He stayed another 10 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4653041.stm

The point is, we can keep Stones, he's our player, and just because he's asked to leave now, doesn't mean anything. We make the decisions. And who knows how he'll feel in 1/3/6 months time. The 2 of the 3 players mentioned in this post all changed their tune soon enough.

Players used to hand them in all the time, and they were rejected most of the time.

I'm glad we've stood up to this. I've read he was crying or something?

 

[oldblue]

He signed a temporary contract, willingly, for which he is highly paid and comfortable.

This is not slavery.

and lets not forget these contracts are primarily there to protect the player

 

[mightymoyes]

I can't believe I am defending Chelsea but no that's a convienent interpretation . Chelsea seem to have a policy if a player asks to leave then they won't stand in the players way

like who? you think if hazard asks to go to real madrid they'll just let him without a fight?

 

[tim cahill]

Who brought up 'slavery'??

John Stones's life is about as far from slavery as you can get.

Ridiculous.

 

[anton66]

A world wide accepted defination of slavery is "if he or she is forced to work for another person without the ability on their part to unilaterally terminate the arrangement. I am not a fan of Blatter but this is the very issue he was trying to highlight some while ago

As for breaking his leg I guess you are talking about when playing football which surely would be an industrial injury but irrespective are you telling me that at the end of a contract the club would still pay his wages if he was not able to play elsewhere because of the injury

Football player contracts clash all over the place with law both here in the UK and even more so in EU

The clubs only in effect have one ace and that is the players registration and even then slowly but surely that power is being eroded. Save gross mis conduct you can't sack a player and save a club suffering an insolvency event you can't make them redundant.

First we had Bosman then we had Webster and football has had to respond by introducing rules around compensation for the likes of training and the transfer of a registration as opposed to the transfer of an employee

If he breaks his leg at home we would still pay his wages.

 

[mightymoyes]

Players used to hand them in all the time, and they were rejected most of the time.

I'm glad we've stood up to this. I've read he was crying or something?

apparently in a service station after the game when some fans were talking to him, naismith pulled him away.

 

[Hibbertinho]

The media have become the Wormtongue of the footballing parvenus' Saruman. That is what this present 'saga' allegorises. And as Gandalf imposingly observed : "at last we come to it, the great battle of our times".

Featuring Andy Gray as a sickly Bernard Hill.

 

[tim cahill]

I can't believe I am defending Chelsea but no that's a convienent interpretation . Chelsea seem to have a policy if a player asks to leave then they won't stand in the players way

At the start of this whole thing. Mourinho said that if a club came in for Fabregas he would refuse to let him leave.