John Stones transfer saga

[oldblue]

The media have become the Wormtongue of the footballing parvenus' Saruman. That is what this present 'saga' allegorises. And as Gandalf imposingly observed : "at last we come to it, the great battle of our times".

up and at 'em

 

[Khalekan]

The media have become the Wormtongue of the footballing parvenus' Saruman. That is what this present 'saga' allegorises. And as Gandalf imposingly observed : "at last we come to it, the great battle of our times".

Great stuff....

 

[oldblue]

I think John is in a *ahem* big moment. If he stays then how he handles it will say everything. Personally, I fully expect him to be back to his best and enjoying life at Everton again within a few weeks.

Everything I've seen about Stones as a pro and as a person made me find it very hard to believe he'd handed in the transfer request. But he's 21, and if he's been poorly advised or the pressure has gotten to him, then I think he needs some time and forgiveness from blues. People make mistakes and he's entitled to do so on the pitch and off of it without having thousands of people twice or thrice his age abusing him.

If he hasn't been manipulated and consciously just wants the move now, regardless of how it impacts the club, then I think it's fair to say us being peeved would be understandable. But nothing about the Stones we've seen for two years falls in line with that attitude. This is the lad that came top recently in terms of players in the whole of English football who do the most for charity. All accounts of him from people within the club are in unison in that he's a genuine, down to earth lad.

excellent stuff and let us hope as many fans as possible and Stones reads this

 

[Blue_Berry]

I think John is in a *ahem* big moment. If he stays then how he handles it will say everything. Personally, I fully expect him to be back to his best and enjoying life at Everton again within a few weeks.

Everything I've seen about Stones as a pro and as a person made me find it very hard to believe he'd handed in the transfer request. But he's 21, and if he's been poorly advised or the pressure has gotten to him, then I think he needs some time and forgiveness from blues. People make mistakes and he's entitled to do so on the pitch and off of it without having thousands of people twice or thrice his age abusing him.

If he hasn't been manipulated and consciously just wants the move now, regardless of how it impacts the club, then I think it's fair to say us being peeved would be understandable. But nothing about the Stones we've seen for two years falls in line with that attitude. This is the lad that came top recently in terms of players in the whole of English football who do the most for charity. All accounts of him from people within the club are in unison in that he's a genuine, down to earth lad.

Well said Rufs - a shaft of sanity cutting through some quite unbelievably arrant and bigoted garbage read on here in the last few days.

 

[oldblue]

It's not the same scenario though is it - football is a unique job. Comparing it to what I'd do at a 'firm' is a redundant point, given I don't have 35,000 people cheering me on at my job every weekend.

yeah hard to get that at a weekend nowadays, but a few times a week does me fine.

 

[jceverton]

I think John is in a *ahem* big moment. If he stays then how he handles it will say everything. Personally, I fully expect him to be back to his best and enjoying life at Everton again within a few weeks.

Everything I've seen about Stones as a pro and as a person made me find it very hard to believe he'd handed in the transfer request. But he's 21, and if he's been poorly advised or the pressure has gotten to him, then I think he needs some time and forgiveness from blues. People make mistakes and he's entitled to do so on the pitch and off of it without having thousands of people twice or thrice his age abusing him.

If he hasn't been manipulated and consciously just wants the move now, regardless of how it impacts the club, then I think it's fair to say us being peeved would be understandable. But nothing about the Stones we've seen for two years falls in line with that attitude. This is the lad that came top recently in terms of players in the whole of English football who do the most for charity. All accounts of him from people within the club are in unison in that he's a genuine, down to earth lad.

Excellent post agree with every word. Well said Sir.

 

[deipnosophist]

It's not the same scenario though is it - football is a unique job. Comparing it to what I'd do at a 'firm' is a redundant point, given I don't have 35,000 people cheering me on at my job every weekend.

Excellent retort.

 

[Tubey]

yeah hard to get that at a weekend nowadays, but a few times a week does me fine.

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[terraloon]

So Stones breaks his leg we pay his wages for the next two years for not playing. Get a grip, it works both ways.

A world wide accepted defination of slavery is "if he or she is forced to work for another person without the ability on their part to unilaterally terminate the arrangement. I am not a fan of Blatter but this is the very issue he was trying to highlight some while ago

As for breaking his leg I guess you are talking about when playing football which surely would be an industrial injury but irrespective are you telling me that at the end of a contract the club would still pay his wages if he was not able to play elsewhere because of the injury

Football player contracts clash all over the place with law both here in the UK and even more so in EU

The clubs only in effect have one ace and that is the players registration and even then slowly but surely that power is being eroded. Save gross mis conduct you can't sack a player and save a club suffering an insolvency event you can't make them redundant.

First we had Bosman then we had Webster and football has had to respond by introducing rules around compensation for the likes of training and the transfer of a registration as opposed to the transfer of an employee

 

[kithnou]

Guys c'mon. All this "he has been poorly advised" stuff doesn't cut it.
The sooner you all accept the likely probability that he requested a transfer because he actually wants to leave, the sooner we can all begin to have a conversation without any basis of delusion.

 

[Ashtonian]

Fair enough, the reponse on this is the same as it has been. At least the track hasn't changed so a bit of credit there for the club.

This all means nothing if we dont spend any real money before the deadline though. It will prove our money is in sales and therefore a selling club. We back martinez yarmalenko or a player of similar calibre and we can finally start to be optimistic

 

[Ged Simpson]

The media have become the Wormtongue of the footballing parvenus' Saruman. That is what this present 'saga' allegorises. And as Gandalf imposingly observed : "at last we come to it, the great battle of our times".

Maybe over-stressing the importance !

 

[oldblue]

YOU'RE BY FARRRRRRRR THE GREATEST DATA PROCESSOR, THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN, AND IT'S STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE, STEEEEEEEEEVE THE DATA PROCESSOR! YOU'RE BY FARRRRRRR.....

He's fat he's round, he collates data at a competent level

 

[peteblue]

So it was alright when Everton players talked about Lukaku coming to Everton in the gap between when his loan period ended and his eventual transfer?

Others earlier in the thread defended that situation by stating the fact that he wanted to leave Chelsea and join Everton

Yeah but Everton are a proper football club built on class and history, whereas Chelsea are just 'loadsamoney' whippersnappers........

 

[deipnosophist]

YOU'RE BY FARRRRRRRR THE GREATEST DATA PROCESSOR, THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN, AND IT'S STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE, STEEEEEEEEEVE THE DATA PROCESSOR! YOU'RE BY FARRRRRRR.....

lol lol lol...you are on comedic fire here!!