2015 post UK election discussion

[daylightrobber]

For me, the left and left of centre are doing themselves and the country a huge disservice not adequately explaining why it’s important to look after the needy, the poor, the sick and underprivileged and importantly the benefit of investing resources in the least economically active sectors of society.

We have to make comfortable, relatively prosperous people understand that by raising the living standards of the poorest, and attending to their needs they benefit too.

How do they benefit? Well improved living standards amongst the poorest boost economic activity enormously, creating more jobs and investment opportunities as economic activities increase.

Secondly there’s the opportunity to reduce costs in the future. Investment in the poorest now whilst adding to debt today saves a huge amount of costs tomorrow through reduced health and social care costs in the future.

There are many who claim that building up debt today is unfair on tomorrow’s generation who has to pay it off. Well how fair is it to build a growing sector of society whose problems will cost much more in future years not only financially but in human and social terms too? Surely it is better to address today’s problems today than leave them for another generation.

We as a nation are faced with a choice. Invest now in the poorest or face ever growing bills in the future which can only create bigger problems in years to come.

The problem is addressed by creating a capital programme designed to lift the poorest up, designed to provide opportunity where little exists today. If it is seen as a capital investment programme rather than a debit item in the country’s budget then we will see a change of attitude. It means working in partnership with large employers (typically multi-national, but British firms too) to boost economic activity in the most needed areas. It means training those who want to be entrepreneurs and providing capital and grants to start businesses.

Wealthy people should not fear investment by Government in a country’s greatest assets – its people. Nor should they fear participating in that investment programme through their taxes because investment today reduces tomorrow’s burden and provides opportunities for all.

You ever thought of getting more involved?

 

[peteblue]

That's a bit unfair. What have we got if not the right to protest and demonstrate?

The election is two days old. It's called democracy......

 

[Groucho]

Do you reckon this has a whiff of Thatcher and the poll tax, or different times now.

Am I missing something? It has just been on ITV news.

You can put away the tinfoil hat

I found nothing in BBC upon writing the post.

Oh well, goes to show.

I hope there's no riots. Peaceful protests I'm all for, but not riots. People get hurt in riots and that's just not right.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

For me, the left and left of centre are doing themselves and the country a huge disservice not adequately explaining why it’s important to look after the needy, the poor, the sick and underprivileged and importantly the benefit of investing resources in the least economically active sectors of society.

We have to make comfortable, relatively prosperous people understand that by raising the living standards of the poorest, and attending to their needs they benefit too.

How do they benefit? Well improved living standards amongst the poorest boost economic activity enormously, creating more jobs and investment opportunities as economic activities increase.

Secondly there’s the opportunity to reduce costs in the future. Investment in the poorest now whilst adding to debt today saves a huge amount of costs tomorrow through reduced health and social care costs in the future.

There are many who claim that building up debt today is unfair on tomorrow’s generation who has to pay it off. Well how fair is it to build a growing sector of society whose problems will cost much more in future years not only financially but in human and social terms too? Surely it is better to address today’s problems today than leave them for another generation.

We as a nation are faced with a choice. Invest now in the poorest or face ever growing bills in the future which can only create bigger problems in years to come.

The problem is addressed by creating a capital programme designed to lift the poorest up, designed to provide opportunity where little exists today. If it is seen as a capital investment programme rather than a debit item in the country’s budget then we will see a change of attitude. It means working in partnership with large employers (typically multi-national, but British firms too) to boost economic activity in the most needed areas. It means training those who want to be entrepreneurs and providing capital and grants to start businesses.

Wealthy people should not fear investment by Government in a country’s greatest assets – its people. Nor should they fear participating in that investment programme through their taxes because investment today reduces tomorrow’s burden and provides opportunities for all.

Only thing about that is that the tories wish to dismantle the welfare state so there won't be anything given to unemployed, low income workers and others, if it doesnt exist then it doesn't cost them anything.
They would of course introduce tax cuts for the wealthiest at the same time as stopping all benefits and sit laughing at the plight of those that are being consigned to medieval conditions.

 

[Mrk]

I found nothing in BBC upon writing the post.

Oh well, goes to show.

I hope there's no riots. Peaceful protests I'm all for, but not riots. People get hurt in riots and that's just not right.

Completely agree.

 

[daylightrobber]

The election is two days old. It's called democracy......

Tbf it's a good time to protest. Its worth firing a warning shot so to speak.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

The election is two days old. It's called democracy......

The exercise of voting is democratic and thank god it is, but I doubt that the outcome of 36.8% of those who voted winning you 5 years is.

 

[glorydaze]

Tbf it's a good time to protest. Its worth firing a warning shot so to speak.

I wonder, if Labour had won would Middle England have rioted?

 

[Groucho]

The election is two days old. It's called democracy......

And part of democracy is having the right of reply ie. a peaceful protest, surely?

 

[ToffeeDoug]

Tbf it's a good time to protest. Its worth firing a warning shot so to speak.

Probably put up to by The Mail on Sunday to confirm why rejecting Red Ed's left agenda (whatever that was) was the right choice for the nation.

 

[daylightrobber]

The exercise of voting is democratic and thank god it is, but I doubt that the outcome of 36.8% of those who voted winning you 5 years is.

That's our system though and for the flaws it has, it also allows us to have genuine constituency MPs who represent us at a local level on the national stage. That's really important. Its also the reason why UKIP only won one seat. We need to be careful what we wish for.

 

[peteblue]

Tbf it's a good time to protest. Its worth firing a warning shot so to speak.

I wonder how many of them actually bothered to vote.....or pay tax....or work....or do anything other than behave in a selfish manner.......this is what what happening with the ScotsNats, a nasty type of politics.......

 

[Seanjd]

I wonder, if Labour had won would Middle England have rioted?

Their lives would have been pretty much unchanged as a result.

 

[Mrk]

The exercise of voting is democratic and thank god it is, but I doubt that the outcome of 36.8% of those who voted winning you 5 years is.

Didn't see any protests when Blair won a large majority with 35.2% of the vote.

Funny that the left only care about voting reform when they don't win.

Oh, and also, interestingly enough, PR would have resulted in a Tory/UKIP coalition. Lovely!

 

[peteblue]

Their lives would have been pretty much unchanged as a result.

Two days in........