Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

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davek said:
Are you seriously still making a case for that ginger ball bag to be taken seriously as a football manager who could think tactically, rather than a drill instructor who could spot a good deal for players?

That's never going to fly.

Moyes was a pudding. Revisionism in the wake of a bad season for Martinez will never work.
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You were making the claim that Martinez had brought us out of some sort of Moyes induced prehistoric dark age. That is all perception based on media soundbites and public persona. In terms of the football, and who could set up a team to control a game there is no comparison. Even last year consistency in how we won wasn't there. There was a lot of free kicks scored, a lot of individual wonder goals and a lot of single goal victories. Nothing wrong with any of these but under Moyes when in good form you could turn up at Goodison and almost guarantee a win against lesser sides. Pienaar, Arteta. Osman, Baines would get on the ball and we would be tearing into the opposition on the front foot. The issue was we had no plan B so tried to play the same away at top sides and would get bullied, so Moyes would instill a horrific nick a point formation for big games away. As i said as well, when we got injuries we went very agricultutal as he rightly realised that the plodders in the squad could not play with the same verve as the first team. The point is though Plan A worked and was consistent in the prem and when players were fit we were a side to be feared who could play good football and were formidable at home.

I've never had that feeling under Martinez. For all the possession we dont control the outcomes of games. We can turn up against the worst side in the league at home and it could just as easily be 3-0 win or 3-0 loss. It doesn't seem to improve with key players returning either. Against Arsenal we didn't complete a pass in their area for the whole matxh. We've gone numerous games without having a shot on target.

No one is saying Moyes is perfect but making out he was some sort of dinosaur and despite driving us to relegation we're better off with Martinez because he is enlightened is complete rubbish. The football this season has been more turgid, more archaic, more negative, more hoofing, more defensive, more 'pragmatic', more limited, more dinosaur like than anything Moyes produced in his entire tenure and that is proven by one glance at the league table! Rubbish defence, can't score goals, don't mske chances, no incisive play. Complete football failure. At one point this season we set up at home for a derby looking to do nothing more than contain a 0-0. Disgraceful.

To finish, who was Martinez (and now the collective fanbase) turning to to save his season against Stoke? That's right, Darron Gibson and Leon Osman. Two of the 'dinosaurs' from the Moyes era. In reality though, the only fit 'footballers' in the squad. They might just save Martinez's job for him. If he can find room for them in his awesome creative midfield of Besic Barry and McCarthy...i wouldn't hold my breath. They'll be on the bench with Robles and Mirallas, two other players who could probably save his job as well. Expression 'he made his own bed...' comes to mind.
 

davek said:
Ha Ha. You lads sound rattled.

I'm not surprised. You must be gutted the bandwagon you tried to create post Stoke game has hit the buffers and produced no fruit.

It must have been tough to see reality hurtling toward you that no one in the media sees an imminent dismissal of Martinez - there is no bandwagon out there in the real world - and that there's no moves toward that at the club. You know that if the Newcastle game produces 3 points and a huge sigh of relief then the jigs up on your campaign for this season.

Loving that.
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Leave out calling Blues slugs though mate. No need for that.
 
Saint Domingo said:
You were making the claim that Martinez had brought us out of some sort of Moyes induced prehistoric dark age. That is all perception based on media soundbites and public persona. In terms of the football, and who could set up a team to control a game there is no comparison. Even last year consistency in how we won wasn't there. There was a lot of free kicks scored, a lot of individual wonder goals and a lot of single goal victories. Nothing wrong with any of these but under Moyes when in good form you could turn up at Goodison and almost guarantee a win against lesser sides. Pienaar, Arteta. Osman, Baines would get on the ball and we would be tearing into the opposition on the front foot. The issue was we had no plan B so tried to play the same away at top sides and would get bullied, so Moyes would instill a horrific nick a point formation for big games away. As i said as well, when we got injuries we went very agricultutal as he rightly realised that the plodders in the squad could not play with the same verve as the first team. The point is though Plan A worked and was consistent in the prem and when players were fit we were a side to be feared who could play good football and were formidable at home.

I've never had that feeling under Martinez. For all the possession we dont control the outcomes of games. We can turn up against the worst side in the league at home and it could just as easily be 3-0 win or 3-0 loss. It doesn't seem to improve with key players returning either. Against Arsenal we didn't complete a pass in their area for the whole matxh. We've gone numerous games without having a shot on target.

No one is saying Moyes is perfect but making out he was some sort of dinosaur and despite driving us to relegation we're better off with Martinez because he is enlightened is complete rubbish. The football this season has been more turgid, more archaic, more negative, more hoofing, more defensive, more 'pragmatic', more limited, more dinosaur like than anything Moyes produced in his entire tenure and that is proven by one glance at the league table! Rubbish defence, can't score goals, don't mske chances, no incisive play. Complete football failure. At one point this season we set up at home for a derby looking to do nothing more than contain a 0-0. Disgraceful.

To finish, who was Martinez (and now the collective fanbase) turning to to save his season against Stoke? That's right, Darron Gibson and Leon Osman. Two of the 'dinosaurs' from the Moyes era. In reality though, the only fit 'footballers' in the squad. They might just save Martinez's job for him. If he can find room for them in his awesome creative midfield of Besic Barry and McCarthy...i wouldn't hold my breath. They'll be on the bench with Robles and Mirallas, two other players who could probably save his job as well. Expression 'he made his own bed...' comes to mind.
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You always write well bro.
 

davek said:
The motive? That would be to keep a talented manager in his position who's having a poor second season. What a svengali like objective that is.
You might want to see loyalty for what it is: exactly that, loyalty.
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Loyalty to Martinez above and beyond the interests of Everton ? Your choice I suppose mate.

You're right though, he is a talented manager, has brought a much needed perspective back to the club, and seems a nice chap to boot.

However, his arrogance has caused him not to act when he should have, leaving it far too late. He ought to have supplemented his staff to cover his weaknesses, and said goodbye to some of his loyal staff that have proven themselves inadequate at this level imo. His second needs to be strong and ensure the playing staff are well drilled and trained.
 

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