Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

[Smodger]

Nothing at all.
He keeps playing the same way whatever the result.
He has had ample time to change but can't see anything wrong.

That's what I was thinking and team selection tactics and subs have been baffling at times.

 

[catcherintherye]

Again I voted to keep Martinez. The experience of Moyes has taught me, to stick with managers through difficult times. He is still a young manager, and much like Moyes I think he will show he can learn from this experience and come out of the other side. We can only really judge that next season though. My view on giving managers time will only change if it looks like we are in a perilous position.

At present we are in no imminent danger and still have an outside chance of getting into the Champions league and winning a European trophy. We still have a 6 point advantage. I am not saying that it's good enough, because we have that advantage based on teams being awful not us being good. But what I'm saying is, I would only jettison the principle of giving a manager time at a time when we looked headed for relegation.

I think the next 3 games have once again become huge for him. If we fail to beat Kiev and Newcastle and lose at QPR then I think it may be time to review the situation again. That would probably leave us around 3 points outside of the drop zone and in all likelihood ready for the chop. If we lose our next 3 then it will be hard to see him surviving.

I suspect Royle would come in to the end of the season and we'd have enough to get ourselves over the line to safety.

Alternatively if we win our next 3 (which is about as likely as us losing all 3) then things begin to look up again. We have 34 points so all but safe and stand a good chance of being in the quarter finals of a cup competition.

The next 3 games are critical.

 

[58 toffees]

He wont get sacked.

that's not funny

 

[Ashtonian]

Well it's a big decision to make isn't it - sacking a manager? Especially big given the first season in charge.

As I've said: we are 6 points above danger. The bottom four are hopeless, imo. What is the urgency here? There is none as I and other reasonable people see it...that is why I say kneejerk.

Dave, not arguing against anything you are saying at all, just a question.

Would you still feel the same way IF the teams below us had won 2 more games this season? Nothing in our control or down to our manager, just villa turned a couple draws into wins perhaps, 4 additional points all round. We would be close to the bottom on the basis of our own form in our own games not affected elsewhere.

We would be in a worse situation and nothing about our season would have changed.

 

[Connor]

that's not funny

Its also the truth.

 

[58 toffees]

Struggling to think of a reason why he should stay now.

That's probably because there isn't one.

 

[Haston]

Do you think if he doesn't loose his job before Newcastle game anything will change?

I could see us easily turning Newcastle over with a passionate, attacking performance! On the other hand though, I can just as easily see a slow, jittery performance giving them encouragement! Hopefully the former!

 

[Christiffa25]

Ah well looks like he's survived to live another day!!

Lucky boy....Better pull his finger out and make some changes.

 

[Jay]

I can’t believe what I am reading (in some cases), people want us to support the manager so he wins couple of games from the remaining 10 games and we avoid relegation.

Reminder to those people, this is not Wigan, this is Everton FFS, EVERTON!

 

[meagher94]

These polls should be put up at least an hour after the match I think. 10 minutes after the match finishes it's already skewed massively in favour of "get him out" because everyone is annoyed at the game. It was 90/10 shortly after the game and now it's 70/30 after people have had time to think.

 

[Arteta10]

Again I voted to keep Martinez. The experience of Moyes has taught me, to stick with managers through difficult times. He is still a young manager, and much like Moyes I think he will show he can learn from this experience and come out of the other side. We can only really judge that next season though. My view on giving managers time will only change if it looks like we are in a perilous position.

At present we are in no imminent danger and still have an outside chance of getting into the Champions league and winning a European trophy. We still have a 6 point advantage. I am not saying that it's good enough, because we have that advantage based on teams being awful not us being good. But what I'm saying is, I would only jettison the principle of giving a manager time at a time when we looked headed for relegation.

I think the next 3 games have once again become huge for him. If we fail to beat Kiev and Newcastle and lose at QPR then I think it may be time to review the situation again. That would probably leave us around 3 points outside of the drop zone and in all likelihood ready for the chop. If we lose our next 3 then it will be hard to see him surviving.

I suspect Royle would come in to the end of the season and we'd have enough to get ourselves over the line to safety.

Alternatively if we win our next 3 (which is about as likely as us losing all 3) then things begin to look up again. We have 34 points so all but safe and stand a good chance of being in the quarter finals of a cup competition.

The next 3 games are critical.

This all over.

My patience is wearing very thin with Martinez but as you said moyes reign was full of ups and downs and you don't get anywhere in football with knee jerk reactions.

If we sack him now, who are we going to bring in?

Surely a record points haul last year can't just be discarded. He's earnt himself another chance because he's got that season in the bank. Give him the summer and the first quarter of next season to try and sort it out and if it's still going the same way then get shut.

If we stay in the premiership and win the europa league then in ten years time the season will be viewed as a success

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

To the 25% thus far sticking by Martinez against the howls of the kneejerkers and Kopites: stick with it lads...after the next PL match against Newcastle is over we will be joined by the others and WE will be in the majority again. Dont be unnerved by the defeatists and doom mongers.

It's pretty insulting that you're STILL using 'kneejerkers' as descriptive. A LOT of us, I'm sure, got to the point of feeling change is necessary over time...via BEING supportive of him. Where you getting the confidence for a result against NEWCASTLE, are you not watching games? Again, it's not hard now is it....the players seemingly just don't wish to play for him, for whatever reason, can you not see that Dave?

And if you disagree you're a KOPITE you say....blimey.

Utterly respect your opinion mate, but the facts & figures suggest you've gotta start respecting other peoples too.

 

[JJK]

How isn't, being SIX points from the drop zone after producing one win in the last thirteen games, imminent danger?

 

[Saint Domingo]

These polls should be put up at least an hour after the match I think. 10 minutes after the match finishes it's already skewed massively in favour of "get him out" because everyone is annoyed at the game. It was 90/10 shortly after the game and now it's 70/30 after people have had time to think.

Or Davek's had time to vote on loads of different devices.

 

[catcherintherye]

This all over.

My patience is wearing very thin with Martinez but as you said moyes reign was full of ups and downs and you don't get anywhere in football with knee jerk reactions.

If we sack him now, who are we going to bring in?

Surely a record points haul last year can't just be discarded. He's earnt himself another chance because he's got that season in the bank. Give him the summer and the first quarter of next season to try and sort it out and if it's still going the same way then get shut.

If we stay in the premiership and win the europa league then in ten years time the season will be viewed as a success

Well yes. If we win the Europa league it will go down as one of the most successful seasons in the clubs history.

The last time we had a run of games like this (Palace Liverpool Chelsea) we pulled 4 points out of the bag. The next 3 are just as important. If we'd have lost the 3 I previously mentioned I'd have expected him to be gone really. The same applies with the next 3. At present we have a little breathing room.