Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

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hktoffee said:
And I do not undetstand Howard and Distin, who both served this club well for many years, becoming crap all of a sudden, in the space of one season. The players do not want to play for him？
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Distin is how much old ? 38 is it . Even in Seria A that is to much and to give DM position player witj 34 years old a 3 yeart long contract in high pace league is insanity, Robles was doing great and should be number one and stay at goal , that is another Martinez spineless decision. Barry minutes when we have 4 good holding midfielders are mistery. Now that we have Gibson who can create and McCharty or Besic who can play role of guard i don't see the why playing Brry alsoi against Stoke .If u wanna to defend against Stoke then [Poor language removed] it. Naismith again and we have amazing winger on bench. Lukaku just having a dry spell in PL , u put Kone from start then or put them both . So many crap decision that deserve get rid , becouse it does not seams that he learn from mistakes
 
maccavennie said:
Beating Newcastle doesn't change anything for me except the fact that it gives us breathing space. The issue I have is that we've been in this mess since the start of December and he's been unable to cajole the players to perform in the league, or unable to pick a system that is working. We may win the games required but it will be more by fluke than design which is of huge concern to me. My faith in him has completely gone unfortunately and I happen to think he's a top fella but I'm not willing to play Russian Roulette with our club and take a risk of being dragged in the mire. If it gets to the point where we are 3 points above the relegation zone then I would say we would be nailed on to go down because he seems unable to steady a sinking ship, a ship he has had months to fix.
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TBH we were in this mess from the get go, the pre season lax approach created the platform for the season, nobody hit the ground running, we didn't add to the squad and we've been struggling to catch up ever since. He left himself with no options other to continue the same way and swapping players.

The EUROPA bought him time and a certain amount of grace was carried over from last season in goodwill. But his stubbornness to stick by his one system has turned to arrogance. His recent comment about real Evertonians (sic) showed that arrogance.
 
davek said:
The semi-professional handful of Martinez out trolls on here are thrashing about like mad when others are making a case for Martinez. That's because they know this is the one point they can get their way before the window on that slams shut.

Hence all the abuse and bile being heaped on those displaying loyalty.

Absolutely shameful behaviour.
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You'd want him as manager in the championship wouldnt you? You actually wouldn't sack him if he took us down, admit it
 

the esk said:
I doubt anyone voluntarily allows their contracts to be renegotiated Dave!

The review has to look at every aspect of our performance through the season including pre-season preparation, injury prevention & recovery processes, individual match preparations, tactics and variations for different opponents, management and training team performance, leadership on and off the pitch, individual player performances, technically, tactically and mentally, squad rotation, squad strengths and weaknesses plus of course squad changes including removals and additions.
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Yes, that's the sort of stuff he'll no doubt (if given the chance) do...and do it convincingly, I'm sure. But there will surely be some horse trading to be done on the contract signed last summer (if clauses weren't already inserted). Contracts can be modified. Probably from a legal standpoint Martinez (if he wished) could laugh in their faces at the mention of contract renogitiation. But I doubt Kenwright would go into a new season without some sort of agreement on potential pay offs in return for backing Martinez. Martinez, after all, would be in a pretty poor negotiating position. He'd be the man who got Wigan relegated and then was dismissed post season by Everton. That has to be something he'd wish to avoid and therefore prefer to take a chance of swinging this situation back to more season one than season two.

It's horrible even contemplating all that, but I do think it'll come down to that in the end and what Martine'z attitude will be to it.
 
paulus said:
Distin is how much old ? 38 is it . Even in Seria A that is to much and to give DM position player witj 34 years old a 3 yeart long contract in high pace league is insanity, Robles was doing great and should be number one and stay at goal , that is another Martinez spineless decision. Barry minutes when we have 4 good holding midfielders are mistery. Now that we have Gibson who can create and McCharty or Besic who can play role of guard i don't see the why playing Brry alsoi against Stoke .If u wanna to defend against Stoke then [Poor language removed] it. Naismith again and we have amazing winger on bench. Lukaku just having a dry spell in PL , u put Kone from start then or put them both . So many crap decision that deserve get rid , becouse it does not seams that he learn from mistakes
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I am tempted to play two up front because we just can't score lately. Get two wingers and put in crosses, we can get a win.
 

davek said:
Yes, that's the sort of stuff he'll no doubt (if given the chance) do...and do it convincingly, I'm sure. But there will surely be some horse trading to be done on the contract signed last summer (if clauses weren't already inserted). Contracts can be modified. Probably from a legal standpoint Martinez (if he wished) could laugh in their faces at the mention of contract renogitiation. But I doubt Kenwright would go into a new season without some sort of agreement on potential pay offs in return for backing Martinez. Martinez, after all, would be in a pretty poor negotiating position. He'd be the man who got Wigan relegated and then was dismissed post season by Everton. That has to be something he'd wish to avoid and therefore prefer to take a chance of swinging this situation back to more season one than season two.

It's horrible even contemplating all that, but I do think it'll come down to that in the end and what Martine'z attitude will be to it.
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There may well be (as in other performance dominated industries) performance benchmarks that trigger release/renegotiation clauses. Even if not, contractual obligations and enforcement are not terms normally associated with football!
 
The problem is Newcastle just see us as there for the taking, and it appears our manager is unable to do anything about it. I think best way forward is to grind out a few draws, literally play to not lose, park the bus in effect, get the necessary points. Re assess at the end of the season, see who is available, hopefully Martinez`s agent is making enqs with foreign clubs who may take a chance on him
 
This stat hurts

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