Relegation Fight 2014/2015

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Who are we kidding saying there are too many poor teams...just look at the league form and all round stats...facts dont lie.
Plus, are we really ready for a real dogfight, for a total grind with all blood, sweat and grit...doesnt bode well with our current fancy philosophy. Will be lucky if we get draws with all teams below us...or I forgot we already watching Napoli tapes...

Bobby is guilty of football snobbery.

He looks down his nose at those he regards as "parasites".......i.e. those managers who cut their suit according to their cloth and regard their objectives as being of eminently greater importance than the methods used to achieve them.

That he disdained the "parasites" in the days before Arsenal shows that Bobby regards himself in the Arsene Wenger league of managers rather than the Tony Pulis or Big Sam league.

Without having earned the right to be in that league.

He longs to play like Pep era Barcelona.

You can't do that with our current squad of players.

But that doesn't deter him.

He cannot or will not recognise that it ain't working..

So we are to be treated to the same old same old in every league game now, or so it appears.

Ergo as we are drawn deeper and deeper into the mire, Bobby is increasingly in denial and cannot understand why fifteen passes across the back four which end with the ball back with the goalkeeper is not met with a chorus of "Ole" from the Goodison faithful.

These are dangerous days for Everton.

It is hard to see where the next win is coming from and I for one am not buying into the "we will stay up by default because there are teams way worse than us" theory.

Such complacency is the road to no town.
 

2 victories and a draw will see us survive mate.

If we only do that it will have been a terrible season of course, but the chances of us not achieving this minimum are very slight in my opinion.
A different sport I know, but something Geoffrey Boycott always used to say about complacency in cricket. To paraphrase, he'd warn against a batting side feeling too confident by saying they should imagine how things would look if they were to then lose two quick wickets. Likewise with Everton. I ask you Esk, to imagine that we lose our next two games. So from needing, in your mind, 7 pts from 11 games we then need 7 pts from 9. Still so confident then?
 
I'm always optimistic, but I feel as low as I've done all season today. With a near fully fit squad we still seem fairly clueless and the lack of any speed in the build up is so frustrating. Particularly when we have pace in the team.
 
A different sport I know, but something Geoffrey Boycott always used to say about complacency in cricket. To paraphrase, he'd warn against a batting side feeling too confident by saying they should imagine how things would look if they were to then lose two quick wickets. Likewise with Everton. I ask you Esk, to imagine that we lose our next two games. So from needing, in your mind, 7 pts from 11 games we then need 7 pts from 9. Still so confident then?

I cannot imagine us losing to Stoke nor Newcastle United. Since the Hull game we have had 2 narrow defeats to Chelsea (A) and Arsenal (A).

We have the following games left (Home) - Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley, Man U, Sunderland and Spurs, (Away) Stoke, QPR, Swansea, Aston Villa and West Ham.

For what it is worth (not a lot admittedly lol) I have 4 wins, 4 draws and 3 defeats out of our final league games. Even if we were to only achieve half of my prediction, then we would finish on 36 points which will be 2 or 3 points more than required this year.

I am 100% confident that we will be playing Premier League football in season 2015/16.
 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...&substory_index=0&id=56909226276&ref=bookmark

HOWARD: Tim Howard says confidence within the Everton camp is still high despite the 2-0 defeat at Arsenal.

Terrible choice of meaningless story by the club.

If they read any of the comments under their stories they'd see people aren't exactly thrilled with Howard at the moment. Also if they looked at the league table they'd see confidence is worth less than f all.

Comments under the story are pretty negative, unsurprisingly.
 
@Khalekan has nailed it there.

I think we will probably stay up - just.

But pardon me if I don't think that's reason enough to put out the bunting, as we'll do so because of 2 promoted sides and likely the downright awful Aston Villa.

Even having this discussion after 27 games is truly shocking. Who'd have said back in July that we'd be banking on 3 sides below us being worse than us, in order to cling onto our PL status?

Aside from the actual results, I've found most of the football we've been playing dull, turgid and completely uninspiring. What happened to the Everton who played with heart, pride, passion and grit? We're as limp as lettuce these days, a mirror of the manager - nice.......
 
We should mate, but we won't will we? And in fairness it's not how low I've fallen, I haven't caused this mess, the blame lies with the management and the players. I am being realistic though I think, when I say I see us losing at Stoke.
I never said you.
I meant as a club how far we have fallen if your expecting to lose at stoke.
If stoke win they will have done the double over us and that should never happen.
 

I cannot imagine us losing to Stoke nor Newcastle United. Since the Hull game we have had 2 narrow defeats to Chelsea (A) and Arsenal (A).

We have the following games left (Home) - Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley, Man U, Sunderland and Spurs, (Away) Stoke, QPR, Swansea, Aston Villa and West Ham.

For what it is worth (not a lot admittedly lol) I have 4 wins, 4 draws and 3 defeats out of our final league games. Even if we were to only achieve half of my prediction, then we would finish on 36 points which will be 2 or 3 points more than required this year.

I am 100% confident that we will be playing Premier League football in season 2015/16.

Interesting ESK. So let me ask you if we go back prior to the Leicester game what would have been your forecast for the preceding 11 games and how does it compare to what happened?

Never predict My self, sure way to come unstuck.Never works out the way one imagines.
 
Bobby is guilty of football snobbery.

He looks down his nose at those he regards as "parasites".......i.e. those managers who cut their suit according to their cloth and regard their objectives as being of eminently greater importance than the methods used to achieve them.

That he disdained the "parasites" in the days before Arsenal shows that Bobby regards himself in the Arsene Wenger league of managers rather than the Tony Pulis or Big Sam league.

Without having earned the right to be in that league.

He longs to play like Pep era Barcelona.

You can't do that with our current squad of players.

But that doesn't deter him.

He cannot or will not recognise that it ain't working..

So we are to be treated to the same old same old in every league game now, or so it appears.

Ergo as we are drawn deeper and deeper into the mire, Bobby is increasingly in denial and cannot understand why fifteen passes across the back four which end with the ball back with the goalkeeper is not met with a chorus of "Ole" from the Goodison faithful.

These are dangerous days for Everton.

It is hard to see where the next win is coming from and I for one am not buying into the "we will stay up by default because there are teams way worse than us" theory.

Such complacency is the road to no town.

Very good post. One thing that concerns me is the view that no problem he will still be the manager at the end of the season and will sort it out in the summer transfer window. To me that beggars belief. How is what I ask and one would get the reply well certain players like Distin and Alcaraz will be gone. But the rest of the "deadwood (per DaveK) will still be here. What budget will he have and what players will he bring in, no one knows. Cleverley has been mentioned, I hope he does not come. Then he starts next season and I have seen nothing that will give me optimism that it will be like his first season.
 
Stoke is a must win!

I just can't see us winning at Stoke and that is the first time I've said that in ages. It used to be expected three points in every game apart from the away ones v top sides were maybe you hoped for a draw (and back then we were complaining about that mindset!). Now I'm only confident of a draw at best in every game apart from home ones v the worst sides in the league and even then as WBA, Hull and Leicester show, even that shouldn't be expected. Would take a point from Stoke and that hurts to say. They're a lot better than us. Martinez has ripped away all of the standards, aura, and fear this Everton side used to have. We were regarded as one of the most difficult grounds to play at and part of a group of 7 who were almost in a different league to the rest of the prem. Martinez has cast us back even worse than the also rans now in one season. Cannot wait until he is out. Every weekend this season has been miserable.
 
Interesting ESK. So let me ask you if we go back prior to the Leicester game what would have been your forecast for the preceding 11 games and how does it compare to what happened?

Never predict My self, sure way to come unstuck.Never works out the way one imagines.

Quite happy to predict, it's what makes it interesting....
 
Dunno about everyone else, but I am dreading hearing the team news on the way to Stoke.
No width, no pace, no Gibson; the selection of Barry plus at least one other DM; Naisy or Ross playing wide; no subs (usually the wrong ones anyway) till it is too late; Rom up front alone for 90 mins. These are the things I fear...
 

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