Time to nuke them.......

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I very much am open minded, no reason to have a closed mind and I know America funds certain groups to destablise a region if they feel it can benefit themselves in some way.

This does not refute my assertion that Islam needs reform nor does it make America solely accountable for groups like Isis or all problems in that region.

I understand all 3 Holy books are murderous and as disgusting as the next but the point is the other religions have stepped into the 21st century (for the most part) whereas Islam has not and will not if its non muslim detractors cannot criticise without being called bigoted and its muslim detractors cannot criticise without been Murdered

Who is exactly under threat? When those nations 'controlled' by Islam developed mathemtical systems, bringing forward and developing knowledge from the past, they were more tolerant of other faiths, when the battle for the holy lands, the christian jihad, broke with the greed of Rome pursued riches elsewhere, Islam suffered and was set on a path of violent intent.

There are still blasphemy laws in this country. There are specific laws on anti semitism, despite the higher proportion of semitic peoples being non judaic, there are means to stifle any dissent or critique of any faith, Abrahamic mainly, its the competitive rules akin to capitalism, its propaganda.

Islam has a history of reform and development more so than Christianity, only when external influence has happened has Islam skewed. Only by ignoring the church has the west developed. Ergo, religion, organised religion, controlling religion as in members of the house of lords etc, is the problem, not one particular specific religion. Let people have faith and spirituality, without religion, you'll see the difference,
 

you know thinking about it we should let them get on with it, always the same the middle east somebody fighting with somebody else, till one gets the upper hand then it calms down a bit let the Arabs ect fight it out then deal with who ever wins, if they want to live like its 1500 years ago let them.
 
you know thinking about it we should let them get on with it, always the same the middle east somebody fighting with somebody else, till one gets the upper hand then it calms down a bit let the Arabs ect fight it out then deal with who ever wins, if they want to live like its 1500 years ago let them.

A bit like Europe, really.
 

I have it on good authority that Governments around the world are currently in consultation with @bizzaro as to how best handle the situation.

As one of the worlds leading experts in all areas of, well everything, we can rest easy. Security officials were initially baffled when the report they requested on ISIS came in the format of a 642 page dossier on Tamworth FC, however it's understood that those issues have now been resolved.

Unfounded accusations right there.

Reported.
 
Some thoughts to share from my sensei on these matters. tl;dr for most, but very illuminating for my feeble mind:

That’s the standard theory: the real reason for murderous events in Europe and Mosul and Bangladesh — even Nigeria – lie in a centuries old grievance detected by Jihadi John. But there’s another explanation you may wish to consider. You are watching entropy at work, witnessing the destruction of information and seeing disorder take over the world.

To understand this more clearly, open the case of your computer and consider the arrangement of the jumper wires (assuming you still have jumper wires). There are only a few ways the jumper wires can be correctly connected but millions of ways they can be wrongly attached. Order (in the sense of a functioning arrangement) is that small percentage of outcomes that work. Entropy is all the ways it won’t work. Order is statistically hard to achieve. Disorder is relatively easy to create.

It took an ancient craftsman years to produce those statues preserved in the Mosul Museum. It took an thug only a few minutes to pound it into rubble and dust.


Since order and knowledge are expensive, what we call civilization essentially advances by remembering which wires go where. The innovation of political correctness however, holds that since all jumper connections are equally valid, anything goes and one can even rearrange older wiring to suit aesthetic impulses. By declaring all cultures equal we open the doors to entropy. We may not notice the effect at first, because — to continue the computer example — there is still enough residual functionality in your machine to carry on.

By and by we disable the CD drive, the USB ports, then some of the keys in the keyboard. Then one day we pull out a really important jumper and the hard disk stops. But by then we cannot acknowledge the damage we’ve done since according to our progressive thinking we ought to have improved things. And this thought will still be in our minds as the blade of the machete slices off the hand we put out to ward the blow.

It will come as a mystery, a total mystery. The reason for our befuddlement is because while ISIS’s destruction of Mosul’s artifacts is serious, it does not spread entropy as drastically as the Western cultural elite. Their powers of demolition are far greater because modern technical civilization depends on what economists call rational ignorance.

Unlike pastoral societies when a man might know all the things that mattered, most of us moderns know very little outside of our narrow fields of competence. We compensate by trusting others to know things about which we choose remain substantively ignorant for lack of time. This opens up a tremendous opportunity for Western charlatans to spread entropy for their own narrow, sectarian reasons.

The more complex and less transparent society and technology become the more we must rely on rational ignorance.
 
Some thoughts to share from my sensei on these matters. tl;dr for most, but very illuminating for my feeble mind:

That’s the standard theory: the real reason for murderous events in Europe and Mosul and Bangladesh — even Nigeria – lie in a centuries old grievance detected by Jihadi John. But there’s another explanation you may wish to consider. You are watching entropy at work, witnessing the destruction of information and seeing disorder take over the world.

To understand this more clearly, open the case of your computer and consider the arrangement of the jumper wires (assuming you still have jumper wires). There are only a few ways the jumper wires can be correctly connected but millions of ways they can be wrongly attached. Order (in the sense of a functioning arrangement) is that small percentage of outcomes that work. Entropy is all the ways it won’t work. Order is statistically hard to achieve. Disorder is relatively easy to create.

It took an ancient craftsman years to produce those statues preserved in the Mosul Museum. It took an thug only a few minutes to pound it into rubble and dust.


Since order and knowledge are expensive, what we call civilization essentially advances by remembering which wires go where. The innovation of political correctness however, holds that since all jumper connections are equally valid, anything goes and one can even rearrange older wiring to suit aesthetic impulses. By declaring all cultures equal we open the doors to entropy. We may not notice the effect at first, because — to continue the computer example — there is still enough residual functionality in your machine to carry on.

By and by we disable the CD drive, the USB ports, then some of the keys in the keyboard. Then one day we pull out a really important jumper and the hard disk stops. But by then we cannot acknowledge the damage we’ve done since according to our progressive thinking we ought to have improved things. And this thought will still be in our minds as the blade of the machete slices off the hand we put out to ward the blow.

It will come as a mystery, a total mystery. The reason for our befuddlement is because while ISIS’s destruction of Mosul’s artifacts is serious, it does not spread entropy as drastically as the Western cultural elite. Their powers of demolition are far greater because modern technical civilization depends on what economists call rational ignorance.

Unlike pastoral societies when a man might know all the things that mattered, most of us moderns know very little outside of our narrow fields of competence. We compensate by trusting others to know things about which we choose remain substantively ignorant for lack of time. This opens up a tremendous opportunity for Western charlatans to spread entropy for their own narrow, sectarian reasons.

The more complex and less transparent society and technology become the more we must rely on rational ignorance.

So your saying were all Robots ???
 

So your saying were all Robots ???

Not at all. Besides, those aren't my words, because I don't have this kind of insight. The point is that in this age of complexity, no individual has the ability to know everything there is to know - this has been true for many millenia, but it is becoming increasingly true, and increasingly critical.

ISIS deals in entropy (the destruction of knowledge), which is the road back to the caliphate, where life is much clearer than in a world run by man's law instead of God's law, and where Islam is the peak of the world's experience. One law, one umma, one God. How much has our Western society done with its political correctness and its thirst for diversity to leverage the work of these jihadis and spread the advance of entropy?

Nothing in here to do with robots at all - the computer and its jumpers (you do know what I'm talking about, right?) is a metaphor for the way that society works, human society, that is. Our jumpers have been moved around quite a lot in the last couple of decades.
 
Not at all. Besides, those aren't my words, because I don't have this kind of insight. The point is that in this age of complexity, no individual has the ability to know everything there is to know - this has been true for many millenia, but it is becoming increasingly true, and increasingly critical.

ISIS deals in entropy (the destruction of knowledge), which is the road back to the caliphate, where life is much clearer than in a world run by man's law instead of God's law, and where Islam is the peak of the world's experience. One law, one umma, one God. How much has our Western society done with its political correctness and its thirst for diversity to leverage the work of these jihadis and spread the advance of entropy?

Nothing in here to do with robots at all - the computer and its jumpers (you do know what I'm talking about, right?) is a metaphor for the way that society works, human society, that is. Our jumpers have been moved around quite a lot in the last couple of decades.

There is an addendum to this, in man needs just what he needs to know to exist, all else is moral and immoral. It is the removal of man from a natural state into a controlled and dictated awareness of allowance. Those that control allow enough knowledge for systems to exist to perpetuate their control. A vicious circle, symbolised byvthe Oroborous, the snake that eats itself.

Diversity became complicated when the recognition of wealth and possessions was introduced by tribes, determined possibly by natural events and scarcity of necessary resources.

ISIS deals in the replacing the interpretation of knowledge, of competition for ideals and the driving force isn't faith or beliefs, irrational systems, it is greed, a rational defence brought about by fear.

Complexity isn't that big an issue, it is the control of information that challenges the interpretation of knowledge, the last man standing. It is like advertising in a capitalist market, a means to eliminate the competition, the last one standing becomes the victor, and the victor writes history for the masses.

Here entropy is the ability to ascertain the reality of information, the truth, and as ever, the first casualty of any conflict is truth.

The destruction of cultural artefacts and information has existed from the beginning of time, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria is a good example, but so too the destruction of pagan sites and building on them of monasteries and churches, the replacing of polytheism with monotheism and vice versa, as with Ahkenaten in Egypt. There has been so much knowledge lost knowledge that would serve the many and not the few
 
There is an addendum to this, in man needs just what he needs to know to exist, all else is moral and immoral. It is the removal of man from a natural state into a controlled and dictated awareness of allowance. Those that control allow enough knowledge for systems to exist to perpetuate their control. A vicious circle, symbolised byvthe Oroborous, the snake that eats itself.

Diversity became complicated when the recognition of wealth and possessions was introduced by tribes, determined possibly by natural events and scarcity of necessary resources.

ISIS deals in the replacing the interpretation of knowledge, of competition for ideals and the driving force isn't faith or beliefs, irrational systems, it is greed, a rational defence brought about by fear.

Complexity isn't that big an issue, it is the control of information that challenges the interpretation of knowledge, the last man standing. It is like advertising in a capitalist market, a means to eliminate the competition, the last one standing becomes the victor, and the victor writes history for the masses.

Here entropy is the ability to ascertain the reality of information, the truth, and as ever, the first casualty of any conflict is truth.

The destruction of cultural artefacts and information has existed from the beginning of time, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria is a good example, but so too the destruction of pagan sites and building on them of monasteries and churches, the replacing of polytheism with monotheism and vice versa, as with Ahkenaten in Egypt. There has been so much knowledge lost knowledge that would serve the many and not the few

Let me add some more from my sensei to respond. His words are more artfully crafted than mine and explain better than I could.

The media, academy, the entertainment industry — everybody — is selling you their narrow agenda. Suppose the president says there are only “lone wolves”. Then by gum, there are only lone wolves. Shouldn’t we in rational ignorance trust the president of the United States?

People who wonder how marriage went from an institution involving men and women to almost any combination conceivable in the blink of an eye, wonder at record winters in an age of ”Global Warming”, who ask themselves why their “Affordable Care” is so expensive and why the “free and open internet” has 300 pages of secret regulations; who puzzle over the identity of the masked attackers who attack centers of population every day are basically watching the effects of industrial scale entropy. They are watching knowledge — indeed common sense — being erased or obfuscated; destroyed at a rate that would defy the understanding of few guys wielding hammers.

The other day a friend told me the hard disk on his super duper gaming machine was failing. Out of curiosity I looked at all the process IDs of his machine and saw about 500 Chrome threads running when his browser wasn’t even open. ”There’s nothing wrong with your hardware,” I said, “it’s a virus”. When we pulled out the network cable the virus went into quiescence without a connection and his hard disk became as fast as ever. The moral of the story, I told him, after he formatted his disk, is it doesn’t matter how fast your hardware is if you’re not careful what gets into your system. Entropy kills. Information corruption can make even the fastest hardware take 30 minutes to open a Notepad window.

Islam didn’t cause the Dark Ages. Some problem in the West did. All Islam will do is deliver the coup de grace. Our modern elites think information destruction doesn’t matter, but it does. Perhaps ISIS will teach this to them in the hardest possible way.
 

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