Martinez OUT. There i said it. (end of the season of course).

[micknick]

2nd season syndrome

 

[Haston]

It's normal for teams in the EL to struggle, Spurs are beginning to get the hang of it after several years of playing Thursday night football.

It's not been great this season but he deserves another season at least IMO

I actually thought we did well last night and if we held on for a draw, or even better (if Lukaku scored) then Bobby would be getting hailed as a genius!

Fine margins

 

[MikeH72]

Blue and white k.....

Pablo pull yourself together man.

Surely if it was BAWK, we would all be living in a fantasy world pretending everything is great and rosy, and shooting down anyone who dares to speak out of term...

...wait a minute

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Saw enough last season to think he deserves another summer, and start of the season until at least until December.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

If Moyes was in 12th in the league, with his baffling substitutions, dont you think he would be lynched ? It has happened before with moyes so why is bobby any different, especially given the board bought lukaku for £28 million at bobbys request and is making him look like a sunday league footballer by refusing to go to two upfront when required.

People wanted a change from Moyes they never complained during the first 7 years of his tenure regardless of where we where in the league. In the most he was well respected by the majority throughtout his 11 years but it was clear that both sides need a fresh challenge in the end.

Martinez got the best out of Lukaku last season and many of our players, this season collectively they've under performed as has Martinez but progress is a bumpy road and we've seen the highes he can take us too, he just needs our backing in a low.

Also im sure you know as well as everyone else the price for Lukaku was £24m rising to £28m if a set of targets are achieved, stating it as an outright £28m makes for very dramatic effect and it's unnecessary to emphasize your point.

 

[Furey1878]

Why does the blame solely have to lie with one party?

Martinez has dropped some clangers this season with regards to subs and squad selections.

The players haven't been performing consistently at an acceptable standard.

The people who who organise things behind the scenes didn't prepare things correctly in pre-season.

So it's obviously not just one party's fault.

Even if this was Martinez's first season, he should still be given another one. And considering how impressive we were in his first season, and how Europe seems to be going well for us this season, he's certainly bought himself more time to get things back on track for me.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

In relation to the whole turn us into spurs or Liverpool related comment, as much as we all laugh at them, Liverpool have won trophies in the last 20 years by letting the managerial team know when they are not happy, Liverpool show more ambition than everton as do spurs, the only difference is Liverpool think they have a god given right to win - we dont. Spurs just spend alot of money which to many is the wrong method, we dont have that money, so im not going to want us to be either of them, im not suggesting that we should be a top four team, i just believe that bobby should achieve more with this squad than top 10. Maybe next season will be the deciding point in this ?

 

[Groucho]

What it is, is that we have become re-accustomed (quite rightly) to being a top 6 club again. Moyes and Martinez are both to thank for that.

Now if he shows signs of a Mike Walker style disaster then yes, for the good of the club he should go because we don't want to lose top flight status and other than the Europa League this season is a write off.

But, we have to be patient - not too patient, but patient nonetheless. Glory won't come overnight.

 

[donalmclean]

In relation to the whole turn us into spurs or Liverpool related comment, as much as we all laugh at them, Liverpool have won trophies in the last 20 years by letting the managerial team know when they are not happy, Liverpool show more ambition than everton as do spurs, the only difference is Liverpool think they have a god given right to win - we dont. Spurs just spend alot of money which to many is the wrong method, we dont have that money, so im not going to want us to be either of them, im not suggesting that we should be a top four team, i just believe that bobby should achieve more with this squad than top 10. Maybe next season will be the deciding point in this ?

liverpool spend a lot of money also, their haul of trophies over the last 20 years isnt all down to ' letting the managerial team know when they are not happy'

 

[Deleted member 24970]

People wanted a change from Moyes they never complained during the first 7 years of his tenure regardless of where we where in the league. In the most he was well respected by the majority throughtout his 11 years but it was clear that both sides need a fresh challenge in the end.

Martinez got the best out of Lukaku last season and many of our players, this season collectively they've under performed as has Martinez but progress is a bumpy road and we've seen the highes he can take us too, he just needs our backing in a low.

Also im sure you know as well as everyone else the price for Lukaku was £24m rising to £28m if a set of targets are achieved, stating it as an outright £28m makes for very dramatic effect and it's unnecessary to emphasize your point.

We made a commitment to pay upto £28 million for a player who bobby believes will easily fulfill these 'clauses' because he will be world class. So no im not being dramatic your just pointing out tiny details to keep me quiet.

As for backing him in the low periods, i am still doing so, even though this thread may suggest otherwise, like i said im not wishing for bad luck on martinez, i just think maybe this is a case of what ifs ?! Now of course in that what if scenario he may win us a cup or two - and that is my wish - WITH bobby in charge would be a bonus.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

I really don't get this. Last night we contained the best team in league by miles with a great defensive display, had the two best chances of the game and played in a way that is vastly different to how we have played throughout the season - plan B. They spawned it in the last few minutes with a deflected shot and a lapse by the otherwise outstanding Howard.

How then are people still saying that Martinez can't change the way we play? We lost so I'm not saying we should be delirious about it but why is this the tipping point for some people? I'm happy with that fact that Martinez looks like he's evolving as a manager and appreciates that game management goes further than just trying to dominate possession at any cost. The line between us getting beat last night and coming away with 1 or even 3 points was paper thin.

Martinez in, blerts out.

 

[donalmclean]

I really don't get this. Last night we contained the best team in league by miles with a great defensive display, had the two best chances of the game and played in a way that is vastly different to how we have played throughout the season - plan B. They spawned it in the last few minutes with a deflected shot and a lapse by the otherwise outstanding Howard.

How then are people still saying that Martinez can't change the way we play? We lost so I'm not saying we should be delirious about it but why is this the tipping point for some people? I'm happy with that fact that Martinez looks like he's evolving as a manager and appreciates that game management goes further than just trying to dominate possession at any cost. The line between us getting beat last night and coming away with 1 or even 3 points was paper thin.

Martinez in, blerts out.

the line between us coming away with 3 points was as thick as the Maginot line mate

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

In relation to injuries, i believe this season is the most injuries we have had, martinez spoke last year about his methods, different muscles are required for practising on the ball training (honestly i dont have a clue what that means) but i will say i prefer for him to do what he did with mccarthy and give him as much time to recover as needed. Injuries no doubt play a part in any team but it is the managers responsibilty to work with these problems.

I think Bobby would prefer to do that as well but there have been times this season when we've had to rush players back due to the lack of other options. (Barry/Alcaraz/McCarthy and others have all been rushed back at some point, playing whilst not back up to speed and either re-injured themselves or put in some woeful performances).
I think this has been addressed with the the changes to the medical staff at Finch Farm and we're starting to see the improvement because of it. I think there is now a greater focus on the medical/fitness side to try to keep the players injury free and up at match fitness rather than the 'fixing broken players to get them out on the pitch as quickly as possible' that seemed to be prevalent.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

We made a commitment to pay upto £28 million for a player who bobby believes will easily fulfill these 'clauses' because he will be world class. So no im not being dramatic your just pointing out tiny details to keep me quiet.

As for backing him in the low periods, i am still doing so, even though this thread may suggest otherwise, like i said im not wishing for bad luck on martinez, i just think maybe this is a case of what ifs ?! Now of course in that what if scenario he may win us a cup or two - and that is my wish - WITH bobby in charge would be a bonus.

How can you claim you're backing him in the low periods after starting a thread called "Martinez OUT" is this some sort of oxymoron by you then?

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

the line between us coming away with 3 points was as thick as the Maginot line mate

Disagree mate. They battered us on possession but we had the best chances. If we'd gone there to try and play them off the park they'd have destroyed us. We set up to contain them and that's what we did. Rom should have scored at least one.