Martinez OUT. There i said it. (end of the season of course).

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What has gone wrong ?

  • Manager

    Votes: 100 27.2%
  • Players

    Votes: 45 12.2%
  • Its that old second season syndrome

    Votes: 102 27.7%
  • Nothing - Its bobbys suprise formula to win the europa and enter the CL

    Votes: 34 9.2%
  • Cheese on Knee Jerk Toast

    Votes: 87 23.6%

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I hope nobody take this as a knee jerk reaction to last nights game (Chelsea 1-0 12/02/15), but i think i have finally had enough of our Manager Roberto Martinez.

First of all apologies for the upcoming University essay i am about to type but here goes, since Martinez was at Swansea as manager, i always thought he was going to go far in the game, the man conducted himself in a class manner, never any doom and gloom, has a style of play that on paper seems a positive way of playing football, a young man with a love for the game that is infectious.

I personally was delighted like most other Everton fans when Everton announced Martinez was to be our next manager after 'OFM' hit the road to Manchester. My grandfather less so.
Since the arrival of Bobby my grandfather who has a few Wigan fans as friends, in which one alerted me to the possibility Bobby was a one trick pony (for me Bobby is Wigans greatest manager he won us the fa cup which has only ever happened in our wildest dreams, but we all knew he only had one way of playing win lose or draw), his first season was a great one, showing his doubters that his philosophy could work given time. (Guess what ? i hope he is right because if Bobby is right and this thread is wrong, then it can only make for a succesful Everton). A entertaining yet unlucky draw away to Norwich had glimpses of what could be, followed by a similair game at Cardiff, then that tedious draw at home to West Brom, my grandfather sitting next to me with that 'I told you so' Look, back and forth, side to side, possession is all that matters.

He also said the same for our trip to Southampton (2-0 own goals) were they battered us leaving us void of any ideas, to be fair i excused martinez for that, we cant win them all can we. For the main though last season was one of joy, refreshing and alot of relief, finally there was no more knife to a gun fight mentality. Substitutions were precise, accurate and timed well, the football in the main was exciting, Barkley & stones were given a chance, Mccarthy and Lukaku were young exciting prospects, coupled with the signing of a wise Gareth Barry to guide these young naive heads and the enigma that was Gerard Delefeloueuioupetisfilous - delboy to those not fluent in the language of espana.
The refusal to lie down to Arsenal away in the league (1-1 delboy), the United victory (1-0 Oviedo), and the in your face attitude against Liverpool (3-3 Lukaku) were welcomed and remembered by all.

The final result was the return of European football and a PL high of league points accumulated, the dawning of a new era was upon us.

The excitement and anticipation for the 2014-2015 season was at a all time high at that point. The world cup may well have come at a bad time in the summer for Everton, pre season was shocking, players coming back in bits and bobs, relaying the goodison turf meaning the old lady never got much action (stop giggling at the back), pre season seemed a mix up to say the least. We did get some positives though, Lukaku and Barry signed, (for £28 million maybe nobody else in the champions league wanted him, and barry was offered at least one year too many) but hey, Martinez was staring at the 'dammed if you do, dammed if you dont' scenario, we all wanted them signed and he did just that. The signing of the world wide star known as samuel Eto'o was a added bonus (in his latter years also noted), the crest of a wave of positivity was rising again. Surely we would wash away many teams this season. So here we are, 12th in the league, certaintly in a dog fight, out of both english cups but flying in the europa (we still have something to cling on to), the season isnt over but many probably wish it was, so what has happened to the positivity of Martinez and the arrogance of the boys in blue ? The style of play is no longer exciting drowned in a veil of pace and fluidity, but more tedious sprinkled with a hint of doubt. Players like Barkley, Lukaku, Mirallas, Coleman all look a little drained of confidence and belief, injuries certainly havent helped. Mirallas may well follow Eto'o out of the door, rumours of United looking at Coleman and McCarthy being chased by anybody with aspirations to win trophies at the top, are just rumours but certaintly a possibility. Substitutions are now too late, no change in formation (the infamous plan B) and dare i say it - negative, anybody managed to understand Alcaraz for Besic in the derby yet ? The Chelsea game was typical of that, we played well dont get me wrong but bobby had a chance to take off barry and bring Mirallas on to stretch chelsea and go for the win, something he may well have done last season, show no respect, hell even play dirty if needs be.

Given the current run of form two wins in twelve or maybe sixteen - god both sound awful, im beginning to think that maybe at the end of the season it is best for both parties if we part ways, on paper it seems a match made in heaven given bobby and Everton want the school of science to reopen for business, we crave to be respected again at the very top, were we belong. However Bobby fails to realise his philosophy only works with players like Messi, iniesta, Xavi et al. We are nowhere near the level Barcelona have set, many of us would just be happy to have the moyes defence with the attacking skill set of a Martinez team, slowly but surely we will get there. Right now i fear bobby's reluctance to drop the likes of barry in favour of a less fancied but winning formula is doing nothing but holding us back, Moyes was lynched for Martinez and his recent decisions/mentality.

Again i dont want to lose Martinez in terms of his class and persona believe me or not but i am a fan of boby and his brown shoes, but for the first time in a long time, i am bored of watching Everton, it has become a household chore and not a luxury, i feel that given the players at his disposal, Everton should be achieving much more and not worrying about a relegation fight and losing some of our key players. Unfortunately the manager is always first in the firing line and at the end of this season it may be time to pull the trigger. A story of what ifs may be the outcome in this book.

Please Bobby prove me wrong. <3
 

We aren't creating enough chances in general, the players have been a bit crap for chunks of the season, the manager has been too rigid in his system.

Thought we were unlucky last night but moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.

Need a bit more urgency and less Gareth Barry, although he can be a good player.

To place it all on the head of one man, I'm not a fan of that. The eleven players on the pitch need to stand up too.
 
Christ, the fumes back with a vengeance after getting beat last minute by the best team in the country



CBA reading all that, but the players the manager the staff are all equally to blame.


Bad spoilt brat behavior to throw toys out the pram and demand a manager who bossed it last year and has been faced with new challenges this year which we're starting to sort out, be sacked


Booooooo the plotters
 

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Blue and white k.....

Pablo pull yourself together man.

Chico your response is what is wrong with some people at the minute, i respect that everyone has a opinion and it does not have to be agreement with mine, but if Martinez had shown a little more leniency with his changing of formations and dropping out of form players, he would be given more time and less calls for him to be gone. Many people are shot down for going against bobby, but if you cant or refuse to see that Martinez is being stubborn at the expense of Everton then we are in trouble. Again i would like to highlight that im a martinez fan but im not blinded by love.

As mentioned below, the players (especially Mirallas and his attitude) need to change.
 
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Christ, the fumes back with a vengeance after getting beat last minute by the best team in the country



CBA reading all that, but the players the manager the staff are all equally to blame.


Bad spoilt brat behavior to throw toys out the pram and demand a manager who bossed it last year and has been faced with new challenges this year which we're starting to sort out, be sacked


Booooooo the plotters

I know it is a essay, please read the beginning, im not knee jerking or a Martinez Hater, just a observation for this season and parts of last season with my own eyes, also the view point of a couple of Wigan fans too. If the defence of Martinez on here was transferred to the back five or six at Everton we would be top of the league.
 
I hope nobody take this as a knee jerk reaction to last nights game (Chelsea 1-0 12/02/15), but i think i have finally had enough of our Manager Roberto Martinez.

First of all apologies for the upcoming University essay i am about to type but here goes, since Martinez was at Swansea as manager, i always thought he was going to go far in the game, the man conducted himself in a class manner, never any doom and gloom, has a style of play that on paper seems a positive way of playing football, a young man with a love for the game that is infectious.

I personally was delighted like most other Everton fans when Everton announced Martinez was to be our next manager after 'OFM' hit the road to Manchester. My grandfather less so.
Since the arrival of Bobby my grandfather who has a few Wigan fans as friends, in which one alerted me to the possibility Bobby was a one trick pony (for me Bobby is Wigans greatest manager he won us the fa cup which has only ever happened in our wildest dreams, but we all knew he only had one way of playing win lose or draw), his first season was a great one, showing his doubters that his philosophy could work given time. (Guess what ? i hope he is right because if Bobby is right and this thread is wrong, then it can only make for a succesful Everton). A entertaining yet unlucky draw away to Norwich had glimpses of what could be, followed by a similair game at Cardiff, then that tedious draw at home to West Brom, my grandfather sitting next to me with that 'I told you so' Look, back and forth, side to side, possession is all that matters.

He also said the same for our trip to Southampton (2-0 own goals) were they battered us leaving us void of any ideas, to be fair i excused martinez for that, we cant win them all can we. For the main though last season was one of joy, refreshing and alot of relief, finally there was no more knife to a gun fight mentality. Substitutions were precise, accurate and timed well, the football in the main was exciting, Barkley & stones were given a chance, Mccarthy and Lukaku were young exciting prospects, coupled with the signing of a wise Gareth Barry to guide these young naive heads and the enigma that was Gerard Delefeloueuioupetisfilous - delboy to those not fluent in the language of espana.
The refusal to lie down to Arsenal away in the league (1-1 delboy), the United victory (1-0 Oviedo), and the in your face attitude against Liverpool (3-3 Lukaku) were welcomed and remembered by all.

The final result was the return of European football and a PL high of league points accumulated, the dawning of a new era was upon us.

The excitement and anticipation for the 2014-2015 season was at a all time high at that point. The world cup may well have come at a bad time in the summer for Everton, pre season was shocking, players coming back in bits and bobs, relaying the goodison turf meaning the old lady never got much action (stop giggling at the back), pre season seemed a mix up to say the least. We did get some positives though, Lukaku and Barry signed, (for £28 million maybe nobody else in the champions league wanted him, and barry was offered at least one year too many) but hey, Martinez was staring at the 'dammed if you do, dammed if you dont' scenario, we all wanted them signed and he did just that. The signing of the world wide star known as samuel Eto'o was a added bonus (in his latter years also noted), the crest of a wave of positivity was rising again. Surely we would wash away many teams this season. So here we are, 12th in the league, certaintly in a dog fight, out of both english cups but flying in the europa (we still have something to cling on to), the season isnt over but many probably wish it was, so what has happened to the positivity of Martinez and the arrogance of the boys in blue ? The style of play is no longer exciting drowned in a veil of pace and fluidity, but more tedious sprinkled with a hint of doubt. Players like Barkley, Lukaku, Mirallas, Coleman all look a little drained of confidence and belief, injuries certainly havent helped. Mirallas may well follow Eto'o out of the door, rumours of United looking at Coleman and McCarthy being chased by anybody with aspirations to win trophies at the top, are just rumours but certaintly a possibility. Substitutions are now too late, no change in formation (the infamous plan B) and dare i say it - negative, anybody managed to understand Alcaraz for Besic in the derby yet ? The Chelsea game was typical of that, we played well dont get me wrong but bobby had a chance to take off barry and bring Mirallas on to stretch chelsea and go for the win, something he may well have done last season, show no respect, hell even play dirty if needs be.

Given the current run of form two wins in twelve or maybe sixteen - god both sound awful, im beginning to think that maybe at the end of the season it is best for both parties if we part ways, on paper it seems a match made in heaven given bobby and Everton want the school of science to reopen for business, we crave to be respected again at the very top, were we belong. However Bobby fails to realise his philosophy only works with players like Messi, iniesta, Xavi et al. We are nowhere near the level Barcelona have set, many of us would just be happy to have the moyes defence with the attacking skill set of a Martinez team, slowly but surely we will get there. Right now i fear bobby's reluctance to drop the likes of barry in favour of a less fancied but winning formula is doing nothing but holding us back, Moyes was lynched for Martinez and his recent decisions/mentality.

Again i dont want to lose Martinez in terms of his class and persona believe me or not but i am a fan of boby and his brown shoes, but for the first time in a long time, i am bored of watching Everton, it has become a household chore and not a luxury, i feel that given the players at his disposal, Everton should be achieving much more and not worrying about a relegation fight and losing some of our key players. Unfortunately the manager is always first in the firing line and at the end of this season it may be time to pull the trigger. A story of what ifs may be the outcome in this book.

Please Bobby prove me wrong. <3
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