Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

post WBA result: should Martinez be sacked?

  • Yes

    Votes: 238 37.4%

  • No

    Votes: 399 62.6%
  • Total voters
    637
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I think at any club barring one of the ‘superclubs’, you need to be able to play to your players strengths effectively to create a team that’s greater than the sum of its parts. This is where Martinez falls short. He's obsessed with playing a certain way, rather than utilising the strengths of his potentially key players (Barkley, Lukaku). He wants us to play like Barcelona but with Steven Naismith as Iniesta
 

mikeh72 said:
I think at any club barring one of the ‘superclubs’, you need to be able to play to your players strengths effectively to create a team that’s greater than the sum of its parts. This is where Martinez falls short. He's obsessed with playing a certain way, rather than utilising the strengths of his potentially key players (Barkley, Lukaku). He wants us to play like Barcelona but with Steven Naismith as Iniesta
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This! He has a 'philosophy' he wants to stick with but doesn't seem to realise we do not have anything like the quality needed to make it work, plus our best players clearly don't line up with that philosophy. Square pegs, round holes.
 
I get why people are worried about relegation, I really do.

We look dire and because it's a new manager, there's doubts over whether he can snap us out of it that there wasn't with Moyes (who we knew always did eventually).

But I don't think it's a realistic worry. Again we are terrible and we've still never really dropped below 12th-13th in the league.

Like I'm not saying that not getting relegated is all I want for everton. This is a terribly disapointing season unless we win the europa and lessons need to be learned. I don't want more seasons like this.

But the difference between people who won't sack martinez this year just because they think he deserves more time and people who think a change is needed now is whether you think relegation is an actually possibility.

And as far as I'm concerned, it isn't. There's too many bad teams in this league.
 
Allezfan said:
I get why people are worried about relegation, I really do.

We look dire and because it's a new manager, there's doubts over whether he can snap us out of it that there wasn't with Moyes (who we knew always did eventually).

But I don't think it's a realistic worry. Again we are terrible and we've still never really dropped below 12th-13th in the league.

Like I'm not saying that not getting relegated is all I want for everton. This is a terribly disapointing season unless we win the europa and lessons need to be learned. I don't want more seasons like this.

But the difference between people who won't sack martinez this year just because they think he deserves more time and people who think a change is needed now is whether you think relegation is an actually possibility.

And as far as I'm concerned, it isn't. There's too many bad teams in this league.
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On paper we have a vastly superior squad. Vastly. So what is causing us to be dead bottom of the form league, and no signs of improvement?
 
The Cowboy said:
On paper we have a vastly superior squad. Vastly. So what is causing us to be dead bottom of the form league, and no signs of improvement?
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We're playing terribly, mate. I don't think there are no signs of improvement, mind. We were bad against west brom but we weren't hull bad.

But we're still 12th. When you can play that badly for that ammount of time and still have 8 teams below you.

Then it's not a hard league to stay in.
 

Allezfan said:
We're playing terribly, mate. I don't think there are no signs of improvement, mind. We were bad against west brom but we weren't hull bad.

But we're still 12th. When you can play that badly for that ammount of time and still have 8 teams below you.

Then it's not a hard league to stay in.
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We shouldn't be fooled by our league placing. It's the points gap from us to the relegation zone we should be looking at.
 
The Cowboy said:
We shouldn't be fooled by our league placing. It's the points gap from us to the relegation zone we should be looking at.
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No.

Being 17th and 4 points above the relegation zone is loads worse than being 12th and 3 points above.

Cos if you're 17th you only need 1 team to get it's act together to relegate you whereas if you're 12th you need 6. And I can't see 6 of those teams doing it.
 
The Cowboy said:
This! He has a 'philosophy' he wants to stick with but doesn't seem to realise we do not have anything like the quality needed to make it work, plus our best players clearly don't line up with that philosophy. Square pegs, round holes.
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The way Southampton play is how I think we should be playing. They don’t fanny around at the back with centre backs that clearly can’t play football (Jagielka and Distin) although Stones is an exception to that. What a fantastic footballer that lad is. But yeah, the best teams mix it up, unless it’s obviously Barca who have had the same football culture bred throughout the club forever. We’re asking SPL level players like Naismith to turn themselves into Iniesta and it’s just ridiculous. That’s why I hope we can scrape by this season, and then we need to see big, big changes in philosophy from Martinez in the summer, he needs to admit where he’s gone wrong and adapt. Like Rodgers did in his second season, he realised there was no point continuing with tiki-taka and so adjusted to play to Suarez’s strengths. And look where that nearly got them
 
Allezfan said:
No.

Being 17th and 4 points above the relegation zone is loads worse than being 12th and 3 points above.

Cos if you're 17th you only need 1 team to get it's act together to relegate you whereas if you're 12th you need 6. And I can't see 6 of those teams doing it.
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Ok, I see where you're coming from, but if you've ever seen how the positions shift in the play-off places in the Championship on the last day, I'd say I'd rather have points between us and 18th, not a quantity of teams. It only takes a rare situation of a few poor teams winning on the same day to send us plummeting.
 

Robocop said:
I agree with your post and the reality of it but we can't sack him after Palace with a derby the following week? I know it's happened before with Joe Royle coming in but I wouldn't like to go into that game manager-less or with a caretaker in charge
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Exactly -- he's got to go now.
 
Was talking to a GP insider yesterday, and came away feeling even more depressed than ever. Even if the relegation threat doesn't register amongst some posters on here, it's certainly now registering within the club -- and they are crapping themselves.

Martinez has simply got to go -- the risks to the future of the club are just too big if he stays.

We're all living in hope that sometime over the next 3 games the team is going to produce a Wigan-Everton cup moment or a Wigan Cup Final moment out the blue. But we shouldn't be living on hope alone.
 
mrb85 said:
Was talking to a GP insider yesterday, and came away feeling even more depressed than ever. Even if the relegation threat doesn't register amongst some posters on here, it's certainly now registering within the club -- and they are crapping themselves.

Martinez has simply got to go -- the risks to the future of the club are just too big if he stays.

We're all living in hope that sometime over the next 3 games the team is going to produce a Wigan-Everton cup moment or a Wigan Cup Final moment out the blue. But we shouldn't be living on hope alone.
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I have more fear that the same Everton that day will keep appearing.
 

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