Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

Toffeelover · January 21, 2015

Dave I disagree, I have genuine fears for the club, simple as that.

davek · January 21, 2015

Toffeelover said:
You cannot go into a game relying on scoring a penalty, to say Mirallas scuppered it is a bit cruel. Six inches other way and it would have been in. You have to recognise for the other 90 minutes we were quite without ideas not only the players but the manager as well.

A converted penalty would have changed the nature of the game dramatically. It's far harder trying to find a gap between 10 players behind the ball than it is when both teams are committed to playing a game of football.

royalbalou · January 21, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
All very reasonable views that everyone would like to follow but it ignores the possibility of relegation. Above all other principles the foundation of the identity of this football club is top flite football. If a manager with our best ever squad endangers that he has to go simple as that. I can take mid table mediocrity and support him all the way, but supporting a manager relegating us is not 'the Everton way', staying in the top flite and winning trophies is. I can just about accept the latter not happening but flirting with relegation means dismissal.

Its quite simple if Roberto moves us away from danger, everyone will accept this rank season and would probably judge him on the next one. If bad form continues the risk of relegstion is massive and he'll be fired and it won't matter if we're the peoples club or Chelsea.

This is it in a nutshell...it matters not whether you like him, rate him or hate him...if there is any real danger of him relegating this club he should be out..and that means he has to get results very quickly

Toffeelover · January 21, 2015

davek said:
A converted penalty would have changed the nature of the game dramatically. It's far harder trying to find a gap between 10 players behind the ball than it is when both teams are committed to playing a game of football.

Sorry Dave, missed the point, a team cannot rely on getting a penalty. I wonder what you comments would have been on the performance had there been no penalty.

streeky · January 21, 2015

Toffeelover said:
You cannot go into a game relying on scoring a penalty, to say Mirallas scuppered it is a bit cruel. Six inches other way and it would have been in. You have to recognise for the other 90 minutes we were quite without ideas not only the players but the manager as well.

When your star player goes into a game with 1 thing on his mind, how is that gonna help a team performance. All thoughts of TEAM where out of his mind on Monday it was all about I am gonna score and run towards a tv camera and show my t shirt. Where will it end ? players trying to score so the can show "good luck at the bingo tonight Ma" shirt.

L4Everton · January 21, 2015

L4Everton said:
Heres some issues Dave, tell the board all about JagiDistin and the Ferguson and Osman Plotting mate.

Then come back to me about credibility again mate.

Ok mate.

Ta mate.

@davek

Credibility mate, not ignoring it mate.

Toffeelover · January 21, 2015

streeky said:
When your star player goes into a game with 1 thing on his mind, how is that gonna help a team performance. All thoughts of TEAM where out of his mind on Monday it was all about I am gonna score and run towards a tv camera and show my t shirt. Where will it end ? players trying to score so the can show "good luck at the bingo tonight Ma" shirt.

Oh dear, as I said in the pevious post, what if there had been no penalty, what then. The team looked incapable of breaking WBA down.

L4Everton · January 21, 2015

Toffeelover said:
Oh dear, as I said in the pevious post, what if there had been no penalty, what then. The team looked incapable of breaking WBA down.

Yeah but instead of 'titting about with it in defence' West Brom didn't push players forward so we got the same thing in midfield instead. It was marvellous and phonomenal.

Anyway

Davek said:
I'm right, you're wrong

You're welcome

Credibility @davek

royalbalou · January 21, 2015

Toffeelover said:
Oh dear, as I said in the pevious post, what if there had been no penalty, what then. The team looked incapable of breaking WBA down.

I'd give Bob some leeway on the West Brom game...playing any Pulis side is difficult and, whilst I agree we couldn't break them down, the performance wasn't as bad as some people make out. The penalty? Stupidity from one player that needs stamping on.
The real test comes over the next few games as Palace and the RS won't park the bus so no excuses

bignev23 · January 21, 2015

A manager should always play the game in a style that best matches his players, he really needs to start doing that and we should be fine.

mrb85 · January 21, 2015

malcson said:
I reckon Mike Walker could have got it right given time

Speak to any Everton player from that era and they'll tell you that Walker was an absolute p***k.

Seanjd · January 21, 2015

davek said:
The form is ok - there's been an upturn in the resolve and energy levels since the first WHU cup game onward.

Have the players stopped playing purposefully poorly in a plot to get Martinez sacked as you is demanded a few weeks ago?

mrb85 · January 21, 2015

davek said:
I think everyone would accept what you say there (the exact point where a decision would need to be made on the manager's future would divide people though).

I'd also point out that this relegation/Martinez dismissal talk hasn't just turned up in the past fortnight, it's been going on since the end of November, which means that much of this debate from one side is not a genuine fear of relegation but a long held grudge for some that's seized on a downturn to press ahead with an agenda.

Or just maybe it came from the many who could see in advance of most that we were headed for big trouble......

bizzaro · January 21, 2015

DualityNSNO said:
Lol okay mate forgot you're an expert on everything. Have you even seen one, like for real? Any gun jams if you put rocks in it like a pleb, point was it takes about 1 minute to clean and is probably still one of the best and cheapest guns available.

Go back to babbling on about FFP and writing in many fonts, colours and sizes.

Also did I say anything about Everton in here so far?

Yes. I suggest you get back on your PS4 and COD and let us knowledgeable folk talk FFP. Everton and all the serious stuff.

Like Besic. Naismith and company.

bizzaro · January 21, 2015

davek said:
A converted penalty would have changed the nature of the game dramatically. It's far harder trying to find a gap between 10 players behind the ball than it is when both teams are committed to playing a game of football.

Exactly. Not scoring was like West Brom nicking one.

Frustrating.