Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

[bitter-no-better]

No to sacking. Before spurs away we where starting to pick up momentum even with a horrendous injury list and some poor individual cock ups. Spurs away saw a bad 2 months of again poor mistakes and poor management by martinez. We have been better last few games and should have won last night against a team who did not want to play football. We need a couple of decent signings to lift the place. If they dont happen then the pressure will be on the management.

 

[58 toffees]

What?

I had to give my head a wobble too

 

[jazzy]

We are likely to be in the bottom 3 after the next 3 games.

With the type of football Martinez insists on playing and the total lack of confidence evident I cannot see him getting us out of the mire.

Clearly there are at least 3 worse teams than us but the real question is "are there 3 worse performing teams than us ?".

On current form , over the last 13 ( yes thirteen games ) the answer is no.

This squad is massively better than the current league position and the manager must take responsibility for that.

Everyone can see that we are predictable and so slow in build up play that we are easy to set up against.

We are sleep walking into relegation and Martinez must wake up and change his tactics and set up. I fear that he is too stuborn to do so

 

[Dharma]

Think this boat has sailed tbh. He should have been binned off after the Hull game at home.

It would have given a new manager a run of very winable games over christmas and galvanised the squad
before the transfer window. A new backroom staff given the chance to get a fully fit squad together
.
Our best chance of a half decent season has been squandered by Kenwright's lack of bottle.
Let's face it, Moyes would still be here if he hadn't bailed. BK hasn't the arse to sack him for fear of taking the blame
for what might be the worst season in our proud history.

IF we stay up, despite Martinez, it will be purely because there are three worse teams in the league,
scariest thing is, at the moment, i just don't see them

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

A while ago I'd listen to RODGERS, y'know, when they were having a bad time of it, positively oozing wang about 'positives' and whatnot he was...and I'd chortle to meself then and think 'Oh Brendan, Mate, you're a massive over-hyped tit, you truly are... full of your own whimsy, do shut up with this piffle' I'd say '...your fans, backward as they are, deserve more'... I'd think 'Brendan, a turd with sprinkles on is still a turd, my man, pipe down, you boob etc...' And I'd laugh then, at BRENDAN, thinking how can they (the RS) accept these clear lies and waffle, what fools they must be (are)...

Cut to now and I listen to BOBSY... and I'm not laughing, not now, because I just keep hearing the words 'Moment' (always out of context BTW), 'Momentum' & 'phenomenal'. I hear about 'commitment' and 'passion' and 'teamwork'. Yet I'm not seeing it. I'm looking, but I'm just not...

I didn't want him at the start but I wanted to like him. In fact I wanted to LOVE him.

I also wanted him to come out last night and win me over by showing a bit of bite over the MIRALLAS palaver. He didn't. Instead he suggested the 1st half went'exactly as planned'...

So, the options now have been laid bare, more than once within the forum - If the next 3 games spew poor results then he's got to go, there can't be any other outcome. Which will mean, I imagine, DUNCAN FERGUSON will be put in charge until the season end because, really, who would you get in? Who would even come? SHERWOOD? Why? (Meaning why would you want him?)

As I've said, I wanted to like him, the BOBSY, and I wanted it to work. But it isn't and it seems it doesn't. And then I think, maybe, how could it? He brought an entire back-room almost from a relegated club. He's attempting to play the same type of gung-ho (tikkity-takkity, whatev's) football he did then...with that relegated club. The one - to repeat - that he felt he couldn't 'bring back up' from the championship.

More than anything at the moment though...I just feel sad.

And a bit wired too I reckon because I've even thought, briefly, about the return of MOYES*.

*which passed after a big sh*t*

 

[davek]

........I'm still saying no, I don't want the Vitor lovers coming out again.

I'm guessing that their standards gave slipped and they'd have someone along the lines of Pulis. His style has won him a few admirers

Yep, and I don't think we're dire. If we were getting shown up by teams regularly and looked shaky as hell and didn't have a clue, then I'd be really concerned. But we're not. The players look like they know what to do it's just not happening. It's a weird mix of things going wrong. One of them: I didn't understand what Martinez meant by 'sin miedo'. But I realise Martinez' style needs an arrogance and confidence in the team for it to work. Receiving under pressure, passing quickly etc. And it's lacking right now. It's a problem, and I hope Martinez proves himself by sorting it out.

Basically he's tried manfully to adapt Moyes' cloggers at the back to a football style they are alien to. It worked for a while, but now these players have to go. He can tell them to play without fear all he wants, but they're not good enough and they dont care that much is how I see it.

 

[JonS]

Unless we get (or are about to get) relegated I would give him 1 year to see if he can learn to organise a defence. If he doesn't learn to do that he goes at that time.

 

[Eggs]

I'm guessing that their standards gave slipped and they'd have someone along the lines of Pulis. His style has won him a few admirers


Basically he's tried manfully to adapt Moyes' cloggers at the back to a football style they are alien to. It worked for a while, but now these players have to go. He can tell them to play without fear all he wants, but they're not good enough and they dont care that much is how I see it.

....was thinking about Pulis after his post match interview. He said he works exclusively on defence and defending, 'the coaches look after all the other bits'. Made me wonder about us having a specific defence coach who concentrates on keeping the right shape and not conceding goals. We can still embrace the RM passing styyle but it would mean us being more solid when the opposition has the football.

 

[steken1]

We aren't doing the same thing over and over , we've adapted a bit and look better for it. Just need a bit more cutting edge and guile around the box.

 

[USABlue]

We aren't doing the same thing over and over , we've adapted a bit and look better for it. Just need a bit more cutting edge and guile around the box.

Exactly mate. 2nd half yesterday we started trying to ping balls into the box with crosses and corners but they were all poor balls in

 

[bizzaro]

I'm guessing that their standards gave slipped and they'd have someone along the lines of Pulis. His style has won him a few admirers


Basically he's tried manfully to adapt Moyes' cloggers at the back to a football style they are alien to. It worked for a while, but now these players have to go. He can tell them to play without fear all he wants, but they're not good enough and they dont care that much is how I see it.

Can anyone really imagine Pullis' Everton being watched WEEK IN WEEK OUT ?

Me neither.

Would be utterly HORRENDOUS.

 

[BernieWright13]

I agree that we're not as awful as we were over Xmas and that short of a winning goal last night there looked only 1 winner. The problem and danger is w'ere running out of winnable games. If we can't overcome wba at home nor no-hopers like Hull, stoke etc before them -who are we actually going to beat? And when? I'd love Roberto to sort it out and make us feel as high as last year but why would I believe he can?

 

[davek]

....was thinking about Pulis after his post match interview. He said he works exclusively on defence and defending, 'the coaches look after all the other bits'. Made me wonder about us having a specific defence coach who concentrates on keeping the right shape and not conceding goals. We can still embrace the RM passing styyle but it would mean us being more solid when the opposition has the football.

In the same way as you couldn't imagine Moyes ever delegating, neither could I see Martinez doing it. For the time being we seem to have got better at the back anyway.

 

[AlE]

In the same way as you couldn't imagine Moyes ever delegating, neither could I see Martinez doing it. For the time being we seem to have got better at the back anyway.

Don't say that with the derby coming up, mate.. You're just tempting fate!!

 

[davek]

Can anyone really imagine Pullis' Everton being watched WEEK IN WEEK OUT ?

Me neither.

Would be utterly HORRENDOUS.

He should be banned from football. I'm not kidding either. If his tactics dont bring the game into disrepute then they need to have an amnesty for all those who've been fined or banned.