Fans that boo.

stu f · January 20, 2015

penev10 said:
There was some booing in the second half and a hefty chorus at the final whistle from where I was in the Lower Bullens.

that's the lower bullens for you - probably my dad!

Big Neville Southall · January 20, 2015

Minimeister said:
There was a lad who booed Barkley during the game, sitting by us last night. The abuse he got for it meant he didn't do it again and rightly so.

The boos for the Besic sub were absolutely spot on and whether he was injured or not, which I doubt seen as he was running the game, I think it was the fans telling Martinez that he should be kept on the pitch because of form, not because he's less senior. Reminded me a bit of the reaction Moyes got for the Spurs sub.

I hope everyone boo'd the lad who boo'd.

Reminds of England v Germany for Keegan's last match and was also Wembley's last match.
After the match it came on the pa about knocking Wembley down to rebuild it so everyoe started booing and shouting f.off Wembley's great etc, as that happened Keegan was walking past on the touchline and he took it as everyone him! haha the soft kopite.

MassBlue · January 20, 2015

Scouse said:
So what's your point?
Is it wrong and damaging or do the fans have a right to let the staff know they aren't happy?

Well, let me ask you this. What do you think follows from the booing? Is it just that the staff now know the fans aren't happy? (Did they think they were happy beforehand?) Is that all that follows? Or does is make players retreat into their shells, always pick the safe option, and sink into pedestrian football?
I'm not a psychologist, but if people at work started booing me, I'd hope they accompany it with some helpful advice too.

njligernj · January 20, 2015

I am sorry that I don't have time to read thread to see if this has been covered before but a few quick points:

Nobody (in their right mind) is suggesting fans don't have the RIGHT to boo. That's a ludicrous straw-man comment. People are suggesting it isn't helping. That's what you need to argue. "They paid for their ticket so they can do what they want" is 100% correct and 100% useless in this discussion.

I know you are angry but do you honestly think booing is going to help more than clapping/cheering/singing whatever?

The minute of clapping was one of our best minutes of play in the game. Coincidence?

The atmosphere is CLEARLY not helping the players. It is making things worse.

What would it hurt to have a few games where we just go nuts and be super supportive (supporters in being supportive shocker) and see if we can lift the players up a bit? FFS nobody at the club is going to think "I guess they love being in a relegation battle ... just listen to them!"

stu f · January 20, 2015

Walken said:
the main reason they booed is because even if he hadn't been injured, it is exactly what they expected martinez to do anyway, and the fans are pretty sick of it

thought that's what i said?

Walken · January 20, 2015

stu f said:
thought that's what i said?

I summed up your point succinctly for you, your welcome

SteRobbo84 · January 20, 2015

Here was me thinking we were absolute toilet because of players looking disinterested, out of form players keeping their place, players being constantly played out of position and unimaginative, naive tactics when all along it was the booing. Not a 'boo-er' myself but if the players can't take a bit of stick after turning in performances like the ones we've seen then they must have hearts like peas!

Big Neville Southall · January 20, 2015

njligernj said:
I am sorry that I don't have time to read thread to see if this has been covered before but a few quick points:

Nobody (in their right mind) is suggesting fans don't have the RIGHT to boo. That's a ludicrous straw-man comment. People are suggesting it isn't helping. That's what you need to argue. "They paid for their ticket so they can do what they want" is 100% correct and 100% useless in this discussion.

I know you are angry but do you honestly think booing is going to help more than clapping/cheering/singing whatever?

The minute of clapping was one of our best minutes of play in the game. Coincidence?

The atmosphere is CLEARLY not helping the players. It is making things worse.

What would it hurt to have a few games where we just go nuts and be super supportive (supporters in being supportive shocker) and see if we can lift the players up a bit? FFS nobody at the club is going to think "I guess they love being in a relegation battle ... just listen to them!"

What do you want us to do start singing the players names and support them when there hasn't even been a goal?

We only sing when we're winning, and doing anything constructive to get behind the team is kopite behaviour and manufacturing an atmosphere, besides we get behind them when it matters. If we didn't get behind them last night, then it was clearly because it did not matter.
( I was joking btw)

stu f · January 20, 2015

Scouse said:
There were 13 thousand turned up at Goodison in '83(I think) and they boo'd the team off after a 0-0 draw with Coventry...there were no rocketing ticket prices then mate

i was at the game, and it was another cold one. I didn't boo then because i actually thought we weren't that far away from getting it together. But the difference was, the crowd booed the performance, whereas last night, we booed a managerial decision. The booing against QPR was against a philosophy encouraged by the manager, not the individual players involved.
Bottom line, the majority of the people going to the games are not very happy with the football we are seeing, but the majority are still supporting the team

Scouse · January 20, 2015

MassBlue said:
Well, let me ask you this. What do you think follows from the booing? Is it just that the staff now know the fans aren't happy? (Did they think they were happy beforehand?) Is that all that follows? Or does is make players retreat into their shells, always pick the safe option, and sink into pedestrian football?
I'm not a psychologist, but if people at work started booing me, I'd hope they accompany it with some helpful advice too.

Well errrrr I thought we just spoke about '83....booing doesn't necessarily have a negative effect 100% of the time.
Why you goin on abar your job lad...nobody pays 40 quid to watch you do it for an hour an a half....bad decisions on the pitch and on the sidelines last night were the reason why fans got so frustrated....the frustration manifested itself in boo's...big effin deal...we go again.

MassBlue · January 20, 2015

Scouse said:
Well errrrr I thought we just spoke about '83....booing doesn't necessarily have a negative effect 100% of the time.
Why you goin on abar your job lad...nobody pays 40 quid to watch you do it for an hour an a half....bad decisions on the pitch and on the sidelines last night were the reason why fans got so frustrated....the frustration manifested itself in boo's...big effin deal...we go again.

Let's hope that, just like 1983, there's a Kevin Brock moment around the corner.

Scouse · January 20, 2015

MassBlue said:
Let's hope that, just like 1983, there's a Kevin Brock moment around the corner.

I'll drink to that blue.

Dario Terracotta · January 20, 2015

MassBlue said:
Let's hope that, just like 1983, there's a Kevin Brock moment around the corner.

I'd buy that lad a pint if ever I met himlol

Minimeister · January 20, 2015

Talking about that Coventry game and the Kevin Brock back pass, no-one ever really talks about the round before when we were 1-0 down to Coventry and won 2-1 with two goals at the death.
The great old days.