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A bit of both mate, hence his name.
mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
We missed out on Laudrup though lads. Just a shame we couldn't afford that £10 million compo. I reckon Laudrup would be 'getting' us even more than Bobby does 
I'm not upset in the slightest - what is there to be upset about? Nobody has said anything or done anything to me. All that happened as far as I concerned is that you liked a bunch of my posts!
I'll give you an example of why I find what you do to be in some ways potentially dangerous. Let's take a hypothetical situation. Say someone disagree with you on here and thought about giving you a neg rep. They wouldn't do it, and do you know why? Because they know you could potentially take hours out of your day to hunt down anything they've said and pull them up on anything that turned out to be wrong, and they know you'd have support as you're a popular member on here.
So through what you do, you make yourself basically someone who is policing the board, imposing your own view on what is right and wrong despite not actually being in that role yourself.
Now that's a hypothetical. I'm not saying you would do it, as I know you honestly think it's for the best in your own way and you're not an arse. But imagine it wasn't you. If a guy can wind people up on the sly - or "popcorn" as it was called - and do it and set people off doing the same thing, which is what has happened to Zatara today on three separate threads, then that can't be a good thing. I've seen it before when I've administrated boards in the past. If that guy responds and gets irate, can you honestly blame him? It's like poking a bear with a stick!
I'm not upset at all, honestly, but I do have an opinion on how people are pulled up on here sometimes by members and not by moderators. If you disagree with Zatara, why not go to the thread in question and simply disagree with him with a counter opinion? The mods will deal with a WUM anyway, so it doesn't need the additional input in my view.
No, doesn't look like you're bothered about being wrong mate.
What about if someone repeatedly posts utter tosh and someone uses previous examples of them doing similar as a way of debate and to show them that their opinion is not particularly creditable in the first place?
Is that permitted?
For instance I spent last summer mostly swerving the new manager thread as it was unbearable with people ridiculing most of our candidates because they'd entrenched themselves, weirdly, firmly in favour of one particular candidate. So I think it's not bad in the interests of accountability to revisit these previous threads and see who got it wrong and right.
if you got it right then well in, astute of you that. If you got it wrong then sound, I probably did too. If you got it wrong yet was arrogant towards others who didn't share your opinion then there's a lesson to be learned.
Hence why I'm a bit perturbed at your load of paragraphs and not one bit of remorse. To some it would appear like you don't like being proved wrong on the internet.
What about if someone repeatedly posts utter tosh and someone uses previous examples of them doing similar as a way of debate and to show them that their opinion is not particularly creditable in the first place?
Is that permitted?
For instance I spent last summer mostly swerving the new manager thread as it was unbearable with people ridiculing most of our candidates because they'd entrenched themselves, weirdly, firmly in favour of one particular candidate. So I think it's not bad in the interests of accountability to revisit these previous threads and see who got it wrong and right.
if you got it right then well in, astute of you that. If you got it wrong then sound, I probably did too. If you got it wrong yet was arrogant towards others who didn't share your opinion then there's a lesson to be learned.
Hence why I'm a bit perturbed at your load of paragraphs and not one bit of remorse. To some it would appear like you don't like being proved wrong on the internet.
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mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
Hahaha, loving all this. It's like an arl man in the boozer telling some youth not to drink 4 pints of stella before he tries to hit on that blonde bird who's never even looked at him
Why would someones opinion on, say, toast, matter one jot in regards to their opinion on bagels? Being wrong once doesn't mean you're wrong for life - debate him on the point at hand, not on irrelevant stuff from the past about different subjects.
Look at the thread itself.
1 Like.
First response:
14 Likes, universal approval. The thread consisting of people disagreeing on him point by point. The moderate majority in action.
Who cares if people had opinions about the manager - they were opinions, they're supposed to exist on a discussion forum. You read them, you don't have to take them to heart! It was panic stations about Everton, something loads of people care deeply about - of course people were going to be saying daft things and get emotive about the subject. I'm wondering if that's what you're missing here - the element of emotion. Mistaking arrogance for strong feeling? People make their points in different ways - some people don't bother with capital letters, some people use words others wouldn't use, some people use phrases like "fake forum police" they regret immediately as it was too OTT - everyone is different.
Again, you can keep saying it, but I'm not upset about being wrong on the internet. I've been wrong hundreds of times; in fact, more often than I've been right. I've been wrong in my job, I've made wrong decisions in relationships and so on. You learn from them. I am solely talking about vaulting here and the pros and cons - I'm not going off on one and swearing etc. You know why I don't have remorse? Because I'm not sorry about being wrong on the internet!!! I'm sorry if I ranted at someone and acted like a pleb, but not about being wrong, as we can all be wrong.
As above, you can't deny that the majority had already told Zatara in no uncertain terms that his opinion was unpopular at best. It didn't need the two additional thread bumps and taking the mick to make that point. What did vaulting achieve that the thread itself already hadn't?
mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
Just felt it was unnecessary. Zatara made this thread:
http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/martinez-transfers.66767/
... and there was ample opportunity to tell him he was wrong about that specific subject in that thread, instead of vaulting two others from ages ago as well.
Why do people keep thinking I'm upset? It's a discussion! This is every bit as normal to me as talking about Leighton Baines or a movie in the Ale House!
Why are we talking about Zatara? What's that got to do with it? He said some things which weren't particularly wise so many pulled him up on it - some couldn't be arsed and just liked the post of the rational counter argument. Fair enough.
If people say daft stuff on a forum then they'll usually be held accountable to it. Happened to me loads as you've probably seen and fair enough.
We were talking about slating Martinez a our new manager and being dismissive of others who rationally debated it. I just had a look through it and liked some posts. I had concerns over him letting many of his players run their contracts down so they could leave on a free. I think I wavered when they got relegated. Its sound, it really is.
Unless you hate being proved wrong on the internet.
There's a huge space for moderate opinion on here but the extreme opinions have a poor tendency of drowning out those moderate opinions. I know its very much internet culture but it would be sound if this forum was known - as it used to be - for being pretty even in its general opinion on stuff.
If people say daft stuff on a forum then they'll usually be held accountable to it. Happened to me loads as you've probably seen and fair enough.
We were talking about slating Martinez a our new manager and being dismissive of others who rationally debated it. I just had a look through it and liked some posts. I had concerns over him letting many of his players run their contracts down so they could leave on a free. I think I wavered when they got relegated. Its sound, it really is.
Unless you hate being proved wrong on the internet.
There's a huge space for moderate opinion on here but the extreme opinions have a poor tendency of drowning out those moderate opinions. I know its very much internet culture but it would be sound if this forum was known - as it used to be - for being pretty even in its general opinion on stuff.
This is what I'm struggling with. Who really cares? I've had PMs off other posters I've vaulted from yesterday laughing about it.
I tend to find a certain type of poster reacts worse to being proven wrong.
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