Nick Clegg V Nigel Farage.

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I think the current 'options' to lead the country provides definite proof that politics is very broken in Britain.

I'd vote Labour just because they're not the tories but I can't say they are inspiring me much either.

Lets do a Kiev or something.
 

Walken said:
having homophobic bigots in their party doesn't help them like
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That's a completely fair criticism I'm not saying they're right on everything or even most things but this whole idea that you can't talk about immigration or you're racist and if you support ukip you're a xenophobic little Englander with greying hair and loads of money well annoys me.
 
Royal said:
It is still not accurate. To say "we have too much immigration" is not even close to saying "if all 8 of your great grandparents weren't 100% british then you're being deported. To sweden."
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I've not said that they are close to being the same. What UKIP do do is lay the blame of an awful of the country's issues on foreign influence and ignore that people coming into the country usually work and have a positive influence on the economy.
 
bluemangroup said:
I've not said that they are close to being the same. What UKIP do do is lay the blame of an awful of the country's issues on foreign influence and ignore that people coming into the country usually work and have a positive influence on the economy.
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But it is in no way xenophobic to oppose the numbers we have when it comes to immigration. You can say it is incorrect to believe it has a negative affect on the country if you want we can have that debate but I will simply not have it that saying mass immigration puts strains on our country and hurts our job seeking youth is xenophobic, it simply isn't.
 

Royal said:
But it is in no way xenophobic to oppose the numbers we have when it comes to immigration. You can say it is incorrect to believe it has a negative affect on the country if you want we can have that debate but I will simply not have it that saying mass immigration puts strains on our country and hurts our job seeking youth is xenophobic, it simply isn't.
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It is xenophobic if you choose to ignore fact and continue to blame immigration regardless. And its not as though we are dealing with a party who have a spotless record either. A conversation should be had about this, absolutely, but i think UKIP's stance is unreasonable and the threat is exaggerated by them.
 
bluemangroup said:
It is xenophobic if you choose to ignore fact and continue to blame immigration regardless. And its not as though we are dealing with a party who have a spotless record either. A conversation should be had about this, absolutely, but i think UKIP's stance is unreasonable and the threat is exaggerated by them.
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But UKIP don't ignore the facts about it helping the economy. Farage made the statement that it is not just about money into the pockets of those at the top and there are certain things more important than money, like youth employment rate.
Look, I don't see UKIP as flawless and I am not an activist or a member or anything like that. But I think that dismissing them as bigots is a lazy way to try and brush them aside. If you disagree with them I can respect that, but don't just call them xenophobes.
 
Royal said:
But UKIP don't ignore the facts about it helping the economy. Farage made the statement that it is not just about money into the pockets of those at the top and there are certain things more important than money, like youth employment rate.
Look, I don't see UKIP as flawless and I am not an activist or a member or anything like that. But I think that dismissing them as bigots is a lazy way to try and brush them aside. If you disagree with them I can respect that, but don't just call them xenophobes.
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It's entirely possible that the make up of the party is changing and the ethos is shifting as they become a more serious poltical animal but they do have a catalogue of behaviour which when twinned with their policies is xenophobic. Whereas i accept calling something racist doesnt make it racist, they have been dogged by incidents where they have let slip some fairly questionable views and some of their support and members are a little undesirable.
 
In that article she says send them all back home, all very well but what do you take as the starting date of immigrant arrival.

Now I have Italian ancestors who jumped ship in Liverpool way back so they were illegal immigrants! Am I to be sent to Italy as I am of Italian descent?
 

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