Woolwich

[Dell Boy]

How can they have democracy when we keep supporting dictatorships?

Oh, because they bring "stability" to the region...

yeah, right.

A vast majority of that was done in the context of the Cold War. Again I'm not sure if you've studied it but it was really big in the recent past.

As part of that alliances had to be formed. Not good or clever but necessary in the context of a global war.

 

[Number_25]

Palestine and Iran. They both western countries now?

I ask you to name a country from the non-muslim world who have offered more support or done more to intervene on behalf of Palestinians and you say Iran(massive sponsors of terror BTW) and Palenstine itself.

OK Mate.

Apologies, misread the 'western' bit.

 

[steken1]

Apologies, misread the 'western' bit.

I'm going to leave this debate.

 

[Ratkiller]

Who overthrew two of those dictators at the cost of our servicemens lives???

Who's talking about arming rebels in Syria?

We absolutely destroyed Iraq. We're doing the same to Syria.

All to keep America in control of the worlds oil supplies and to weaken Russia and Iran.

£37 billion wasted in Afghanistan so that America could run a pipeline from the former Russian states across the country for the same reason.

Who knows how much it's cost here in extra security and police time dealing with the terror plots that stem from our foreign policy.

Is it worth it?

 

[Gwladysyoungestson3:16]

Sorry Number 25 but that is disgusting thing to say or think. "Murdered in protest"! i don't think I've ever read such a stupid comment in my life! Its this type of revolting justification that makes these scum think that what they do is ok. I can't believe that anyone with even HALF a brain would say that.

 

[Number_25]

Sorry Number 25 but that is disgusting thing to say or think. "Murdered in protest"! i don't think I've ever read such a stupid comment in my life! Its this type of revolting justification that makes these scum think that what they do is ok. I can't believe that anyone with even HALF a brain would say that.

"The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers, and this British soldier is one, is a eye for a eye [sic] and a tooth for a tooth. By Allah, we swear by the Almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. So what if we want to live by the Sharia in Muslim lands. Why does that mean you must follow us and chase us and call us extremists and kill us? Rather you are extreme. You are the ones. When you drop a bomb, do you think it hits one person or rather your bomb wipes out a whole family. This is the reality. By Allah, if I saw your mother today with a buggy I would help her up the stairs. This is my nature. But we are forced by the Quran in Sura at-Tawba, through many, many ayah throughout the Quran that we must fight them as they fight us, a eye for a eye [sic] and a tooth for a tooth. I apologise that women had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your governments. They don't care about you. Do you think David Cameron is gonna get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think the politicians are going to die? No it's going to be the average guy, like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so we can..., so you can all live in peace. Leave our lands and you will live in peace. That's all I have to say. Allah's peace and blessings be upon Muhammad, as-salamu alaykum."

That's their reasoning.

 

[Dell Boy]

That's their reasoning.

The second you use the words of a blood-soaked psychopath in a debate you've lost it.

I don't even want to use the words animals to describe those two monsters.

They butchered an innocent man in broad daylight in the most extreme way possible. By contrast British soldiers are putting their lives at risk in Afghanistan etc and fighting combatants. Muslims are dying because they are engaged in a war there.

Any instance of a British soldier murdering an innocent Muslim would be examined carefully and charges would follow if appropriate.

 

[Gwladysyoungestson3:16]

Number 25, They are cupid stunts! First of all, as far as I'm aware no Muslim has been slaughtered like an animal in the streets by a member of the armed forces? And even if they had (which they haven't!) It still wouldn't justify the butchering of this man. If we go by that level why can we not had these animal's over to an army barracks and see justice done? "An eye for an eye" indeed!

 

[Joao Moutinho]

Number 25, They are cupid stunts! First of all, as far as I'm aware no Muslim has been slaughtered like an animal in the streets by a member of the armed forces? And even if they had (which they haven't!) It still wouldn't justify the butchering of this man. If we go by that level why can we not had these animal's over to an army barracks and see justice done? "An eye for an eye" indeed!

A protest is always justified in the eyes of the people who are doing it. Nobody's saying they were right.

 

[hullefc]

The Palestinian isuue is easy to understand. All the land and property that was stolen from the Palestinians should be returned to the owners. Easy really.

 

[Gwladysyoungestson3:16]

If the BNP had "killed" (if thats you want to call what these evil scum did) there would rightly have been calls for the death penelty to be brought back, but because its Muslims doing the murder then its a diffrent story. If these scum feel so badly why didn't they go "home" and fight on the front line? Because they are jumped up, cowardly little druggie scum!

 

[Dell Boy]

The Palestinian isuue is easy to understand. All the land and property that was stolen from the Palestinians should be returned to the owners. Easy really.

And the irony of you supporting a team with the song "and if you know your history" is hopefully not lost on anyone.

I'm not saying the Isrealis are 100% in the right at all. No chance. But I've read enough of Middle Eastern history to know it's not black and white and to suggest otherwise is ignorant in the extreme

 

[Joao Moutinho]

If the BNP had "killed" (if thats you want to call what these evil scum did) there would rightly have been calls for the death penelty to be brought back, but because its Muslims doing the murder then its a diffrent story. If these scum feel so badly why didn't they go "home" and fight on the front line? Because they are jumped up, cowardly little druggie scum!

Not from me there wouldn't. I have never called for the death penalty.

This also was their home and they think what they did was right and that this is the front line.

Obviously it isn't and as a result a young man has been murdered, which is horrific.

 

[Gwladysyoungestson3:16]

Hullefc, well you disagree with most intellectuals on that! Regardless how the problem started and who was ORIGINALLY to blame, you may have noticed that many, MANY thing have happened and changed on both sides since then. Again it is a VERY complex problem and not one to be disciribed as easy.

 

[Ratkiller]

If the BNP had "killed" (if thats you want to call what these evil scum did) there would rightly have been calls for the death penelty to be brought back, but because its Muslims doing the murder then its a diffrent story. If these scum feel so badly why didn't they go "home" and fight on the front line? Because they are jumped up, cowardly little druggie scum!

I think you'll find that they did go to join the front line and were detained and tortured and sent back here.

You really should educate yourself. There's a much bigger picture here.