Woolwich

[Clint Planet]

Islam would be good for this isle. It would rid it of the lazy feckless fat tattooed drunks who infest it and provide the inhabitants with a moral compass they currently lack.

*dons tin hat*

 

[peteblue]

Islam would be good for this isle. It would rid it of the lazy feckless fat tattooed drunks who infest it and provide the inhabitants with a moral compass they currently lack.

But then Anfield would only be half full........

 

[Wool.i.am]

But then Anfield would only be half full........

I would still attend religiously. After the call to prayer, of course, insha allah!

 

[Wool.i.am]

Islam would be good for this isle. It would rid it of the lazy feckless fat tattooed drunks who infest it and provide the inhabitants with a moral compass they currently lack.

Neg rep indicates I speak the truth. Like a messenger of Allah!

 

[Number_25]

So I just had negative reputation from someone, I don't want to kick up a fuss but this was the message.

"Why be here if you don't like it???"

I don't think that's the point of a democracy, I'm free to have my thoughts and feelings and I can vote in whoever I want - without persecution.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as a bit anti-UK. I was born here and I feel that I am allowed to say whatever I want about the country which I belong in.

If you don't like it, then fine by me - elect someone who promises to stop people from speaking their minds.

 

[Wool.i.am]

So I just had negative reputation from someone, I don't want to kick up a fuss but this was the message.

"Why be here if you don't like it???"

I don't think that's the point of a democracy, I'm free to have my thoughts and feelings and I can vote in whoever I want - without persecution.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as a bit anti-UK. I was born here and I feel that I am allowed to say whatever I want about the country which I belong in.

If you don't like it, then fine by me - elect someone who promises to stop people from speaking their minds.

No, no you aren't allowed to say that. What ever gave you that impression. You have fewer freedoms than in a theocracy ultimately. Just give up and joing the Islamic movement, insah Allah!

 

[edge]

Islam would be good for this isle. It would rid it of the lazy feckless fat tattooed drunks who infest it and provide the inhabitants with a moral compass they currently lack.

some truth in that,

 

[edge]

And Britain does not support 'terrorism'.The initial reaction to the brutal killing of Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old off-duty British soldier, in Woolwich last week was to renew the debate over apparent "lone wolf" acts of terrorism. There are those who believe the attack was the latest in a series of terror acts that have a common denominator – the al-Qa'ida-linked group formerly known as al-Muhajiroun.Founded by the Syrian cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed before being taken over by Anjem Choudary, it was banned in 2010. But it has been linked to one in five terrorists convicted in Britain over more than a decade.It is little surprise that the Woolwich suspects have been on Whitehall's radar for years. Mr Choudary has already admitted knowing Michael "Mujahid" Adebolajo, as someone who "attended our meetings and my lectures".Al-Muhajiroun has continued to function with impunity, most recently under the banner of Izhar Ud-Deen-il-Haq. According to a former US Army intelligence officer, John Loftus, three senior al-Muhajiroun figures – Mr Bakri Mohammed, Abu Hamza and Haroon Rashid Aswat – were recruited by MI6 in 1996 to influence Islamist activities in the Balkans.In 2000, Mr Bakri Mohammed admitted training British Muslims to fight as jihadists abroad. That same year, he boasted: "The British government knows who we are. MI5 has interrogated us many times. I think now we have something called public immunity. IndependentAnd more news on Britain does not support 'terrorism'.In 1998 archbishop Desmond Tutu revealed possible British involvement in the death of UN secretary-general Dag Hammarskjold in 1961. Hammarskjold's plane exploded when it was about to land in Rhodesia; he was on his way to mediate a peace agreement between Congo and the breakaway province of Katanga. Documents described meetings between MI5, the CIA and a South African military front company, and plans to place TNT in the wheel bay of the aircraft. In addition, former MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson revealed that MI6 put forward a paper entitled 'the need to assassinate president Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia' in 1992. Subsequently, Nato aircraft specifically targeted Milosevic for assassination during the war against Yugoslavia in 1999. And in 1998 MI5 whistleblower David Shayler alleged British funding and support for an assassination attempt against Libya's Colonel Gaddafi. A leaked MI6 cable later stated that "one officer and 20 men were being trained especially for this attack" in February 1996. The coup plotters had obtained 250 British pistols; their leader was Abdal Muhaymeen, a former member of the Afghan mujahideen who was possibly trained by MI6 or the CIA. Gaddafi survived the coup attempt, but six innocent bystanders did not. Even more on Britain's links to terrorists.On Nov.17,1997,the Gamaaal-Islamiya (Islamic Group) carried out a massacre of tourists in Luxor, Egypt, in which 2 people were killed....Yet, the leaders of the organization have been provided with political asylum in Britain, and repeated efforts by the Egyptian government to have them extradited back to Egypt have met with stern rebuffs by Tory and Labour governments alike.

so we wanted to bump off two war criminals in Gaddafi and Milosevic , both responable for killing thousands of muslims while there brave brothers looked on and did what ? and you use this as prove the uk is a terrorist state, then quoted David Shayler , a man who says 9/11 wasnt infact passenger planes but swap out planes with explosive pods underneath? and the london 7/11 were corprate manslaughter not terrorist attacts, oh and by the way is the new messiah a cross dressing one at that according to himself, you not doing your arqument much good with that. As carlos says its a debate , so say what you want.

 

[Dell Boy]

And Britain does not support 'terrorism'.

The initial reaction to the brutal killing of Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old off-duty British soldier, in Woolwich last week was to renew the debate over apparent "lone wolf" acts of terrorism.. .

I honestly don't know where to begin with your post but I'll give it a go in the spirit of debate.

Your claim above is totally wrong. The initial reaction I believe was twofold.

First it was revulsion at the level of barbarity shown against that poor soldier. Killing is one thing but butchering an unarmed innocent man in the middle of a street and welcoming the videoing of such an event is beyond sick.

Second it was anger that such a twisted animals can have played our democratic system to his advantage for a number of years. British society indulged them and accepted their right to free speech. I have not seen any mention of jobs so I presume they also abused the benefits system.

The list of evidence quoted to support your claim that the British government actively encourages or endorses terrorism would not stand up for printing in the Daily Sport never mind a High Court.

But you completely fail to differentiate between the ideals of a democracy like the UK and that of a totalitarian state in the Middle East or Asia.

In this country you are actively encouraged to report any hint of wrongdoing. Indeed we have systems upon systems to assist. There is also a free press and an educated secular society that will support and facilitate any wrongdoings. There are few countries in the world you can say the same.

I do hope this horrific event does mark a change in Britain in as much as any preacher of hate or violence is instantly deported. Likewise the armed forces should get extra protection in the sense that they and their families should not have to turn a cheek when some mob preaches anti-war propaganda at a soldier's funeral or a regiment's homecoming.

Relative to the rest of the world it is a privilege to live in the UK. If folk cannot respect our society and culture then they should not be allowed to live here. I care less and less about the evils elsewhere in the world these days. It's high time we looked closer to home to improve our day to day lives.

 

[Ratkiller]

Dell boy , Did you check out my video links?

America killed a 16 year old boy by dropping a bomb on him two weeks after they killed his father. His father was a terrorist.

As justification for killing a minor who was an american citizen they said he should've had a more responsible father.

Can you imagine the outrage if Muslim terrorists killed the son of a serving soldier and came out with something similar?

We really do need to open our eyes in this country to what is actually going on out there.

 

[Clint Planet]

Yesterday, two preppy types - probably Mormons - knocked on my door. They greeted me politely and then said they were conducting some research and could I help them. I tentatively agreed and one of them said "We were wondering about your thoughts on.....last weeks events......you know, the terrible killing in Woolwich, and, well.....we were wondering what God thought about it."

I replied, "I think it's irrelevant what God thinks about it. What is relevant is the disturbing way that various people are falling over themselves to make capital out of what happened. I have many Muslim friends and acquaintances and they are all decent, warm-hearted and peace-loving. We all need to be wary of being manipulated by events and by people with their own agendas to peddle. Anyway, good-bye!"

Of course, the Mormons have a different agenda to the EDL but don't be fooled by either, people. See through all the sh*t.

 

[Elong]

Yesterday, two preppy types - probably Mormons - knocked on my door. They greeted me politely and then said they were conducting some research and could I help them. I tentatively agreed and one of them said "We were wondering about your thoughts on.....last weeks events......you know, the terrible killing in Woolwich, and, well.....we were wondering what God thought about it."

I replied, "I think it's irrelevant what God thinks about it. What is relevant is the disturbing way that various people are falling over themselves to make capital out of what happened. I have many Muslim friends and acquaintances and they are all decent, warm-hearted and peace-loving. We all need to be wary of being manipulated by events and by people with their own agendas to peddle. Anyway, good-bye!"

Of course, the Mormons have a different agenda to the EDL but don't be fooled by either, people. See through all the sh*t.

Further expanding on your point but without wanting to take this off topic, if anyone can remember a couple of years ago over here the city of Christchurch in the South Island was pretty much leveled by an earthquake. About 2 days later a couple of bible bashers knocked on the door and proceeded to tell me that it was God's will these people lost their lives and that more people should start believing to stop these events happening again. I could not believe it.

I won't repeat the answer I gave them. But people will always fit events to their agendas, sadly.

 

[Clint Planet]

But people will always fit events to their agendas, sadly.

Including the EDL and all the other hate-mongers. Be vigilant, lads and lasses. Don't be taken in.

 

[WA Toffee]

Yesterday, two preppy types - probably Mormons - knocked on my door. They greeted me politely and then said they were conducting some research and could I help them. I tentatively agreed and one of them said "We were wondering about your thoughts on.....last weeks events......you know, the terrible killing in Woolwich, and, well.....we were wondering what God thought about it."

I replied, "I think it's irrelevant what God thinks about it. What is relevant is the disturbing way that various people are falling over themselves to make capital out of what happened. I have many Muslim friends and acquaintances and they are all decent, warm-hearted and peace-loving. We all need to be wary of being manipulated by events and by people with their own agendas to peddle. Anyway, good-bye!"

Of course, the Mormons have a different agenda to the EDL but don't be fooled by either, people. See through all the sh*t.

They wanted to know God's thoughts so they knocked on your door. Nice.b)

 

[hullefc]

so we wanted to bump off two war criminals in Gaddafi and Milosevic , both responable for killing thousands of muslims while there brave brothers looked on and did what ? and you use this as prove the uk is a terrorist state, then quoted David Shayler , a man who says 9/11 wasnt infact passenger planes but swap out planes with explosive pods underneath? and the london 7/11 were corprate manslaughter not terrorist attacts, oh and by the way is the new messiah a cross dressing one at that according to himself, you not doing your arqument much good with that. As carlos says its a debate , so say what you want.

So the British government is the international authority on which people should rule in their own country, and if they do not like them, then the British government has the right to get rid of them. War criminals? Does that include a government that told porkies about 'weapons of mass destruction' to get Britain into a war, alongside the Americans because Saddam Hussein had fallen out of favour with the US.

Saddam Hussein was once the flavour of the month with Britain and the US when he was waging war against Iran.
Iraq quickly found itself bogged down in one of the longest and most destructive wars of attrition of the 20th century. During the war, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iranian forces fighting on the southern front and Kurdish separatists who were attempting to open up a northern front in Iraq with the help of Iran. These chemical weapons were developed by Iraq from materials and technology supplied primarily by West German companies as well as [56] the Reagan administration of the United States which also supplied Iraq with "satellite photos showing Iranian deployments"[57] and advised Hussein to bomb civilian targets in Tehran and other Iranian cities.[58] In a US bid to open full diplomatic relations with Iraq, the country was removed from the US list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Ostensibly, this was because of improvement in the regime’s record, although former United States Assistant Secretary of Defense Noel Koch later stated, "No one had any doubts about [the Iraqis'] continued involvement in terrorism... The real reason was to help them succeed in the war against Iran."[59] France sold 25 billion dollars worth arms to Saddam.[49] Wikipedia.

Britain fully supported Saddam Hussein when he was flavour of the month using chemical weapons and fighting Iran. I don't remember Britain attempting to get Saddam Hussein on a war crime charge. I think it is called the stench of hypocrisy.

Shayler exposed the dirty side of the British state, just like Peter Wright disclosed the dirty tricks used against Harold Wilson and Philip Agee laid bare the US dirty war against people and governments the US did not like. And who decides if there is a war crime and who should be put in the dock? Have the British government ever pursued any Israeli minister for the genocide conducted against the Palestinians? No. Why/ Be ause the Israeli's are the 'good guys'.

By the way this may interest you, 'On 26 February 2007, the United Nations International Court of Justice (ICJ) found that there was no evidence linking Serbia and Milošević to the crime of genocide in the Bosnian War, not including other breaches of international humanitarian law. However, the court did find that Milošević and others in Serbia did not do enough to prevent acts of genocide from occurring.[10]' Wikipedia.

Were the British soldiers that did these acts 'electric shock was widely used, as well as cigarettes and fire. Bottles (often broken), gun barrels, knives, snakes, vermin, and hot eggs were thrust up men's rectums and women's vaginas. The screening teams whipped, shot, burned and mutilated Mau Mau suspects, ostensibly to gather intelligence for military operations and as court evidence.[205]
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—Caroline Elkins

brought before the UN on war crimes? Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, have Britain asked the UN to start war crimes proceedings against these states? No. Why? Because the British government deems them the 'good guys'.

I never claimed that Britain was a terrorist state, you need to read what I wrote.