Moyes Potential Replacement

[Mogsy_Efc]

It's so on!!!

Next season will bring armbands, manly stubble, stepovers and hot lazer formations!!!

I'm so excited!!!

EPERTON 4 DA LEEG

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Objectively, if there's very little management structure, and one or two bosses leave, you don't interview the receptionist. That's similar to the lack of quality we have internally.

Football is also about projecting a brand. Sponsors will be crapping themselves seeing Stubbs interviewed, that's before you get to the obvious harmful effects upon the fans.

Stubbs can't be compared with the receptionist ffs.

As for trying to make out our sponsors will have some form of an issue with Stubbs & the internals merely being interviewed for the role - seriously? Behave.

The issue would come if he or Weir were given the job, then you'd have an actual point. As it stands you're trying to make a non-issue into something to have a pop at Kenwright about.

If he gives the job to either of them, I'll join you in the bleach swigging & abuse of Kenwright, until then let's just keep a sense of perspective.

 

[Jags..class]

Wouldn't the club have come out and said we're not looking at VP by now.

 

[Chang Elephant]

As it stands you're trying to make a non-issue into something to have a pop at Kenwright about.

"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."

 

[Billy Dean]

Check this out, its not all about Vp don't know how to post a link so just copied it.

I've been a massive fan of Marcelo Bielsa's for a long time. I was first made aware of "El Loco" by the BBC's South American Correspondent, Tim Vickery, on 5 Live's World Football Phone (I highly recommend the podcast for this guy, the others not so much). Vickery, who really knows his stuff, worships the ground Bielsa walks on.
Recently Vickery has been describing the effect that Bielsa has had on Chilé as a nation. He and others have described the Chilean league as being the most exciting in South America and basically describe that after what the great man did with the National Side, every club president has basically said they want to play just like that at their clubs and so it seems 75% of the clubs have Bielsa clones in charge.

Bielsa is someone who transforms clubs, and leaves a lasting impression wherever he goes often for the better. Much is made of philosophies and by and large this a nonsensical buzz word spouted by morons like Rogers who either do not know what it means or are trying to buy time for themselves. Bielsa is about the only manager who does have a philosophy. What I mean by this is that he would come into Everton and transform the club. Everything would have to change to his way of thinking. Every coach from the kids up would have to agree with what he wanted or they would be gone. Every team would play the Bielsa way, be they u9s or the reserves.

The Bielsa way is high intensity and high pressing. Guardiola did not quite copy Bielsa fully at Barcelona, so do not be fooled by thinking that if we got Bielsa in we would suddenly play tiki-taka football. Guardiola fused the traditional (since Cruyff) total football style of play with Bielsa's high pressing game which led to the style you see now.

Bielsa's style, for those who do not remember how he got Athletic Bilbao to destroy Man Utd, is much more direct than Barcelona and you often see his teams hit the long ball. I've often been frustrated by the fear of teams to hit the long ball when it's on instead losing impotence by knocking it slowly around the back until a chance is gone (á la Rogers). Bielsa's ideals are to play all of the game in the opposition half. To aggressively defend from the front. The striker would need to chase the centre backs hard, then comes the wide men, then the midfield 3.

He typically played a 3133 at Chilé. This had a few static players, namely the number 9 (a false 9 is preferred but someone like Lorente plays it best), and an anchor man who sits around the defensive midfield spot. The rest are interchangeable and extremely fluid. Bielsa's teams are often out of shape and thus hard to defend against when they win the ball. Every player needs to be comfortable on the ball, especially the centre backs.

Bielsa likes wide men, but like Moyes he likes them to tuck inside. More Pienaar than Mirallas. The greatest example of what Bielsa likes this player to do is Alexis Sanchez (the Barca flop), who runs from wide at pace, causing havoc.

The midfield three play high up the pitch but are not attacking players, moreover they are players who are best at winning the ball and recycling it forwards quickly. The defensive midifielder will sit and with fluidity will make the midfield 3 into a 4, or the defensive 3 into a back 4 depending on where the ball is. This player is often the guy who launches the attacks with quarter back style passes, so rather than being a yard dog, he's usually the Beckenbauer of the side. Instead the tenacious Gibson types are playing further up the pitch, trying to win the ball there.

As I said earlier, Bielsa plays a back 3 of centre backs. However, these all need to be comfortable on the ball and capable of long passing. Heitinga would thrive but Jags might struggle.

Bielsa's way of working is never to come in and rip a side apart and start signing players. What he did on taking the Bilbao job was to watch every game at least twice. He came into a perpetually relegation threatened side and turned them into Champions League contenders immediately by changing players positions and enhancing player's fitness levels. He would not come into Everton and tell BK that he needs £50m to spend, instead he would be willing to work with what he has and have a few surprises in store. Some players would end up in positions you never dreamed they could play, whilst he is likely to promote a lot of youth, as they have the natural energy to do the running required.

Fitness is absolute key to Bielsa's ways and he needs a full pre-season to get going. One reason I think he could slot righ tin here is that Moyes has traditionally had us as perhaps the fittest team in the league for years. If this belief is correct then Bielsa has a head start and then just needs to work on reconditioning players. By this I mean slimming down muscles from power to stamina which does take time.

Bielsa has never managed a club bigger than us. Benitez seems to be ahead in the pecking order for Napoli, so why then, are we not pushing this guy harder for the job. The only reason Bielsa should not be the Everton manager next season should be because he says he needs a season or two off to recharge his batteries (which he often does, due to the intensity he brings).

Even if Bielsa is a disaster for us, and I do not believe that he would be, he would only bring positiivity and progression to the club. He is not likely to cost us a fortune like someone like Martinez would, and he's likely to make us the most entertaining side in the league along the way.

If you have never seen the great man at work on the training pitch then Google him.

There's tons of fan videos of Bilbao training and El Loco going crazy in the middle of the action. He is so intense in training, that he seems almost serene during the matches (he's nuts on the sidelines, but just not as nuts). Watching those training videos will show you the dynamism of the coach and the reason why you cannot consider someone like Ferguson, Stubbs or Neville.

They do not have a clue how to run training sessions like this, let alone why he's doing what he's doing. No training session is ever the same and he really does develop every player he gets his hands on.

They will not enjoy training, but they will be satisfied with the results and reap the benefits, as per most of the Bilbao squad he seem to now be with most of Europe's elite clubs.

Get him in. To not speak to the greatest coach in the world, who is available, and will definitely speak to us, can only be considered negligent.

Editor's note: This comment from the "No pre-contract agreement with Pereira" news item has been republished here as an article in its own right.

There is no way on God's green earth that Kenwrong would appoint Bielsa, sadly.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Wouldn't the club have come out and said we're not looking at VP by now.

They had the chance to do that on Weds, after the pre-contract agreement story came out of Portugal. They just rebuffed the fact that there was any form of pre-contract agreement in place, but didn't say they weren't / hadn't been speaking with Pereira.

 

[Billy Dean]

Check this out, its not all about Vp don't know how to post a link so just copied it.

I've been a massive fan of Marcelo Bielsa's for a long time. I was first made aware of "El Loco" by the BBC's South American Correspondent, Tim Vickery, on 5 Live's World Football Phone (I highly recommend the podcast for this guy, the others not so much). Vickery, who really knows his stuff, worships the ground Bielsa walks on.
Recently Vickery has been describing the effect that Bielsa has had on Chilé as a nation. He and others have described the Chilean league as being the most exciting in South America and basically describe that after what the great man did with the National Side, every club president has basically said they want to play just like that at their clubs and so it seems 75% of the clubs have Bielsa clones in charge.

Bielsa is someone who transforms clubs, and leaves a lasting impression wherever he goes often for the better. Much is made of philosophies and by and large this a nonsensical buzz word spouted by morons like Rogers who either do not know what it means or are trying to buy time for themselves. Bielsa is about the only manager who does have a philosophy. What I mean by this is that he would come into Everton and transform the club. Everything would have to change to his way of thinking. Every coach from the kids up would have to agree with what he wanted or they would be gone. Every team would play the Bielsa way, be they u9s or the reserves.

The Bielsa way is high intensity and high pressing. Guardiola did not quite copy Bielsa fully at Barcelona, so do not be fooled by thinking that if we got Bielsa in we would suddenly play tiki-taka football. Guardiola fused the traditional (since Cruyff) total football style of play with Bielsa's high pressing game which led to the style you see now.

Bielsa's style, for those who do not remember how he got Athletic Bilbao to destroy Man Utd, is much more direct than Barcelona and you often see his teams hit the long ball. I've often been frustrated by the fear of teams to hit the long ball when it's on instead losing impotence by knocking it slowly around the back until a chance is gone (á la Rogers). Bielsa's ideals are to play all of the game in the opposition half. To aggressively defend from the front. The striker would need to chase the centre backs hard, then comes the wide men, then the midfield 3.

He typically played a 3133 at Chilé. This had a few static players, namely the number 9 (a false 9 is preferred but someone like Lorente plays it best), and an anchor man who sits around the defensive midfield spot. The rest are interchangeable and extremely fluid. Bielsa's teams are often out of shape and thus hard to defend against when they win the ball. Every player needs to be comfortable on the ball, especially the centre backs.

Bielsa likes wide men, but like Moyes he likes them to tuck inside. More Pienaar than Mirallas. The greatest example of what Bielsa likes this player to do is Alexis Sanchez (the Barca flop), who runs from wide at pace, causing havoc.

The midfield three play high up the pitch but are not attacking players, moreover they are players who are best at winning the ball and recycling it forwards quickly. The defensive midifielder will sit and with fluidity will make the midfield 3 into a 4, or the defensive 3 into a back 4 depending on where the ball is. This player is often the guy who launches the attacks with quarter back style passes, so rather than being a yard dog, he's usually the Beckenbauer of the side. Instead the tenacious Gibson types are playing further up the pitch, trying to win the ball there.

As I said earlier, Bielsa plays a back 3 of centre backs. However, these all need to be comfortable on the ball and capable of long passing. Heitinga would thrive but Jags might struggle.

Bielsa's way of working is never to come in and rip a side apart and start signing players. What he did on taking the Bilbao job was to watch every game at least twice. He came into a perpetually relegation threatened side and turned them into Champions League contenders immediately by changing players positions and enhancing player's fitness levels. He would not come into Everton and tell BK that he needs £50m to spend, instead he would be willing to work with what he has and have a few surprises in store. Some players would end up in positions you never dreamed they could play, whilst he is likely to promote a lot of youth, as they have the natural energy to do the running required.

Fitness is absolute key to Bielsa's ways and he needs a full pre-season to get going. One reason I think he could slot righ tin here is that Moyes has traditionally had us as perhaps the fittest team in the league for years. If this belief is correct then Bielsa has a head start and then just needs to work on reconditioning players. By this I mean slimming down muscles from power to stamina which does take time.

Bielsa has never managed a club bigger than us. Benitez seems to be ahead in the pecking order for Napoli, so why then, are we not pushing this guy harder for the job. The only reason Bielsa should not be the Everton manager next season should be because he says he needs a season or two off to recharge his batteries (which he often does, due to the intensity he brings).

Even if Bielsa is a disaster for us, and I do not believe that he would be, he would only bring positiivity and progression to the club. He is not likely to cost us a fortune like someone like Martinez would, and he's likely to make us the most entertaining side in the league along the way.

If you have never seen the great man at work on the training pitch then Google him.

There's tons of fan videos of Bilbao training and El Loco going crazy in the middle of the action. He is so intense in training, that he seems almost serene during the matches (he's nuts on the sidelines, but just not as nuts). Watching those training videos will show you the dynamism of the coach and the reason why you cannot consider someone like Ferguson, Stubbs or Neville.

They do not have a clue how to run training sessions like this, let alone why he's doing what he's doing. No training session is ever the same and he really does develop every player he gets his hands on.

They will not enjoy training, but they will be satisfied with the results and reap the benefits, as per most of the Bilbao squad he seem to now be with most of Europe's elite clubs.

Get him in. To not speak to the greatest coach in the world, who is available, and will definitely speak to us, can only be considered negligent.

Editor's note: This comment from the "No pre-contract agreement with Pereira" news item has been republished here as an article in its own right.

and speaking of the world football phone-in. Just been reading some tweets from the top brass (Andy Brassell). He thinks appointing VP would be a huge risk, as he was unpopular with Porto fans and players, and its far from guaranteed that he is top level.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."

The last time he appointed a manager he got it right mate, so you might have a point there.

 

[willo30]

Am I right in thinking that Porto would have to release a statement saying he is leaving before we can announce anything.

Similar to what we did with Moyes. Man UTD said nothing until we announced he was going.

 

[FTY]

The thing I'm most excited about with regards to Vitor, if we get him, which I don't think we will, is the signings he could make. Really, really hope it comes off, don't think it will though.

 

[helpimonfire]

Am I right in thinking that Porto would have to release a statement saying he is leaving before we can announce anything.

Similar to what we did with Moyes. Man UTD said nothing until we announced he was going.

Yes it is true

 

[helpimonfire]

Lennon 2/1 with one bookies

Ha Ha

 

[Jeff Jones]

We want Stubbs,Neville and Round to resign, surely ? Would be a tremendous result.

Why does everyone hate Stubbs?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Lennon 2/1 with one bookies

Ha Ha

Only with Boyle Sports, which gives you a strong indication of where the money for Lennon is coming from, lol.

 

[Aidey9]

@rcatalao: @townseyfc He's probably gone by now. FC Porto should be closing a deal w/ another coach soon. Yes, I believe Vítor Pereira will go to #EFC.

A Portugese journo. Seems these are the common sentiments over there.

Well ive just seen on another forum someone posting tweets from LCAB to Fourth Official about the likes of Pereira and Martinez, and LCAB said to FO that we could of appointed Pereira monday and it was as good as done the deal, but we didnt, and that he's hearing its still Martinez we want.

I know some take LCAB's words as gospel and some dont, but believe of that what you will.

I do think Kenwright as a liking for Martinez and is interested in Pereira and IF we believe stories in the Portuguese press and twitter, Pereira was in England monday to talk to 2 top half teams in the premier league, so who's to say he didnt talk to Kenwright and sell himself and make it be known he's interested in the job, but Kenwright not being 100% sure on just going on and appointing him, told him he wanted to talk to another candidate first before weighing up his options on which one to pick?!.

IF Kenwright is in 2 minds about either of Pereira or Martinez, then he as every right to hear the 2 of them out about there plans and ambitions for our club before making his next move. He as to get this right.

David The Toffee‏ @lcabbabeh
@FourthOfficial_ Cda appointed Vitor on Mon btw . Done deal .They never tho <<< Wel see Kid

David The Toffee‏ @lcabbabeh
@FourthOfficial_ Id LIKE Her tbh but Im STILL hearing Martinez an of course now Vitor . Id say HES the outsider just by their havin waited


He's a funny old character, when referring to "her", he means Pereira's missus, she's fit as fcuk apparently?!.