Seamus Coleman isn't up to it.

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At what point? We have failed to keep a clean sheet and look vulnerable every time we are attacked.

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Jagielka hasn't been dropped though....Heitinga and Distin had a cracking partnership last season. Enough to warrant another run of games and personally the best back four for me would include Hibbert.
 
Jagielka hasn't been dropped though....Heitinga and Distin had a cracking partnership last season. Enough to warrant another run of games and personally the best back four for me would include Hibbert.

Do you know why Jagielka hasnt been dropped.. Because he has been, by a country mile, our best defender this season. Thats why Jagielka hasnt been dropped.
 
Our defence isn't right. We play with a six man defence, basically. The Goalkeeper, the 2 CBs and then the Dm when we're attacking and the two Fbs when we're not.

And out of those six, our goalkeeper isn't playing well (though I thought he was better yesterday), only one of our CB's is playing well (despite us trying two different players as his partner), our DM has been injured since the end of august and his replacements aren't of the same quality, and our full backs are getting caught out a lot, particuarly on the right where Coleman's relatively inexperienced but Baines is also.

Replacing coleman might help but it's naive to think it would solve all our problems. We get a good CB partnership and a good DM in there and we can get away with attacking full backs. Right now we're looking good going forward but we're damned vulnerable because the four defensive players we leave back when we bring the two full backs forward can't cope. We can either live with that tradeoff, only bring one full back forward (the hibbert option) or try and sort out our defence so we can cope with two attacking full backs.

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So we drop our best centre back in the hope that it'll make the one playing crap forge a better partnership with the one on the bench.

Hmmm.
 
Our defence isn't right. We play with a six man defence, basically. The Goalkeeper, the 2 CBs and then the Dm when we're attacking and the two Fbs when we're not.

And out of those six, our goalkeeper isn't playing well (though I thought he was better yesterday), only one of our CB's is playing well (despite us trying two different players as his partner), our DM has been injured since the end of august and his replacements aren't of the same quality, and our full backs are getting caught out a lot, particuarly on the right where Coleman's relatively inexperienced but Baines is also.

Replacing coleman might help but it's naive to think it would solve all our problems. We get a good CB partnershipand a good DM in there and we can get away with attacking full backs. Right now we're looking good going forward but we're damned vulnerable because the four defensive players we leave back when we bring the two full backs forward can't cope. We can either live with that tradeoff, only bring one full back forward (the hibbert option) or try and sort out our defence so we can cope with two attacking full backs.

Highlighted - Try Heitinga and Distin partnership!!!
 
Heitinga not bothering to jump for headers and having the pace of an 8 year old is completely unrelated to whoever's playing next to him, though.
 
I wouldn't be against Heitinga and Distin partnership.

Wel, i wouldn't if Johnny wasn't playing like he's got one foot in the transfer window and Distin needs to be phased out.

I wanted Johnny to get a run in the team but he has and has been gash so Distin and Johnny seems like the logical choice if Moyes isn't gonna give Duffy a go.
 

Wasnt Johnny originally a right back,maybe time give him a go there n put Distin back centre half

Think Heitinga did play RB for Atletico quite a bit.

But that was ages ago.

He says his fave position is CB. So putting him at RB will make him more disinterested than he looks now!!
 
Seamus had a good game yesterday, yes he gave away the pen and his marking wasnt so hot for their first goal but he was actually one of the better defenders. Jags got the run around all day from Roberts and Heitinga's positioning sense was woeful. We lost yesterday because we were second to every ball and when we had possession we gave it straight back to them especially from goal kicks
 

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