So we all agreed, Kenwrong is EVIL.
Great thread lads.
Great thread lads.
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Anybody who sees their route to the Cup as anything other than massively lucky is lying to themselves. Gifted not just one but two goals by Chelsea. Fairly sure we'd have beaten Bradford like. They should have been out at the Semi final stage.
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Swansea were awful at Goodison this year. Barely had ambitions of leaving their own half.
Agree - as I say, don't rate him, think he'll be found out when the honeymoon period is over because the Swansea squad is very weak - but all I'm pointing out is that it's not impossible to find a manager who can do it, and if a manager is given a talented squad and time to work with it then they can achieve something. And all things considered I believe Everton have a very talented squad, and there's going to be money to play with to improve it in the summer when we sell our prize asset.
Under normal circumstances, knowing Fellaini is about to be sold, I'd want Moyes to be the man to use that money. But with all things considered, I think Moyes as manager over the next five years would mean more stagnation and boredom, so I'd rather give a new manager the funds to be able to start afresh and rebuild an ageing side.
You think his preferred style of football is boring and predictable?! Or do you think when he hasnt got the players his first aim is to not lose the game.
When Moyes has had money to spend he has put together a flowing side. Two of the best sides to watch in Moyes tenure have been the first half of this season and the midget gems with Pienaar, Arteta and Osman with Carsley marshalling.
Both sides were put together on the back of not having to sell key players and reinvesting money on quality. If we had that every season I think you would see a consistent standard of attractive football.
Some of the football we played between March and November of 2012 was absolutely brilliant. January 31st ruined our season. Leroy Fer in midfield instead of Neville yesterday ffs
If Moyes stays, Fellaini goes and Moyes is given £20m to spend on transfers i'm confident we'll get back to playing like we did against Villa and Swansea this season.
Or Darron Gibson.
Neil Lennon tho lads?
I don't think it's right to assume that we'll definitely return to relegation days if moyes leaves.
Far from it. To assume that would be saying we'll be fighting for relegation with this team(minus fellaini) next season.
Very unlikely in my opinion. This team have individual who knows how to play football, we only need to continue doing what we're doing and be more adventurous and direct(counter attack at pace and not hoofball) and we'll be challenging for top 4 again next season. My only worry is our scouting staff. We must keep them at all cost.
Far from it. To assume that would be saying we'll be fighting for relegation with this team(minus fellaini) next season.
Very unlikely in my opinion. This team have individual who knows how to play football, we only need to continue doing what we're doing and be more adventurous and direct(counter attack at pace and not hoofball) and we'll be challenging for top 4 again next season. My only worry is our scouting staff. We must keep them at all cost.
Carlito
Player Valuation: £40m
Everton don't have to knock long balls to Fellaini all the time, but they've been doing it for months. They play really well for about twelve weeks every season, and the rest of the time it's usually pretty grim.
The players don't even do simple things like make runs to open up space for one another. Most of them have been here for years and they still play like they've just met.
He's done well for Everton and Everton have done well for him.
When he took over we were a shambles from top to bottom and he's stabilised the club like we needed so he'll leave us in a far better position player and set up wise than when he left. He has however been paid very handsomely for it so while I'll appreciate his efforts he's been well compensated and we still don't have a trophy to show for it.
We still have the problem of not being able to invest money in the team so it's going to make it difficult for a new manager but things are stagnant at the moment. We peaked five years ago under Moyes and people tend to forget that, when we were playing in Europe and finishing fifth every year. This year with the way we started and were playing we thought we could do one further but due to various reasons, including poor management, we haven't.
Everyone knows that the manager's hands are tied at the club so that will temper expectation but it's eighteen years now without a trophy so it's an absolute piss take. Moyes has had a good drink out of Everton so what bothers me most in the condescending attitude to renewing both of his contracts, he's latently took the piss out of us. I know he's an ambitious man but he's got no right to pretend that his ambition is higher than the clubs, so he can [Poor language removed] off for that.
We need change in the ownership of the club first and foremost but Moyes has been happy to make himself rich on the back of his paymasters so if it was really stifling to the progression of Everton then he needed to speak up. We're not a stepping stone like he's trying to make out, we shouldn't be feeling eternally grateful for finishing fifth a couple of times. We shouldn't be conditioned into being delighted to be best of the rest, to do so would be a disservice to the club and our history.
So [Poor language removed] them. If they're in a position of power at the club then they're currently failing and they need to do something about it.
When he took over we were a shambles from top to bottom and he's stabilised the club like we needed so he'll leave us in a far better position player and set up wise than when he left. He has however been paid very handsomely for it so while I'll appreciate his efforts he's been well compensated and we still don't have a trophy to show for it.
We still have the problem of not being able to invest money in the team so it's going to make it difficult for a new manager but things are stagnant at the moment. We peaked five years ago under Moyes and people tend to forget that, when we were playing in Europe and finishing fifth every year. This year with the way we started and were playing we thought we could do one further but due to various reasons, including poor management, we haven't.
Everyone knows that the manager's hands are tied at the club so that will temper expectation but it's eighteen years now without a trophy so it's an absolute piss take. Moyes has had a good drink out of Everton so what bothers me most in the condescending attitude to renewing both of his contracts, he's latently took the piss out of us. I know he's an ambitious man but he's got no right to pretend that his ambition is higher than the clubs, so he can [Poor language removed] off for that.
We need change in the ownership of the club first and foremost but Moyes has been happy to make himself rich on the back of his paymasters so if it was really stifling to the progression of Everton then he needed to speak up. We're not a stepping stone like he's trying to make out, we shouldn't be feeling eternally grateful for finishing fifth a couple of times. We shouldn't be conditioned into being delighted to be best of the rest, to do so would be a disservice to the club and our history.
So [Poor language removed] them. If they're in a position of power at the club then they're currently failing and they need to do something about it.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
Wigan reserves at home is also massively lucky. As is playing no one of note all the way through to Wembley, which is what we had.
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
I just want to clarify something. I didn't say I think we are on a par with Newcastle. Personally, I have to constantly stick up for our club if i'm talking to fans of others as we are without a doubt one of the biggest, proudest and great clubs in this country, yet a lot of people my age don't see us in that way. We have achieved more than the likes of Newcastle, Man City and Leeds could ever dream of but are constantly over looked by the media etc.
What I am saying though is that as an Evertonian born at the very end of the 80's, I find it hard to just expect to see our team win trophies when all i've ever known as a fan is disappointment (on the whole). Throughout the 90's we were absolutely ****ing dire, in relegation battles pretty much every season whilst the "likes" of Newcastle were coming runners up and playing in Champions League matches. Again, i'm not saying we are inferior to them, just that in my lifetime we can hardly look down on clubs like them in terms of our achievements in that time. I've seen some humiliations as an Evertonian. Boro in the quarter final, Tranmere in the FA Cup, i've been to Old Trafford and Anfield numerous times and only ever seen our team lie down and die in front of our eyes whilst they take the piss out of us. It's hard for me to be all cocky with this "Everton aren't we" approach when we get beaten every ****ing time we go to those places. Some of the older fans might know what it's like to take thousands to Anfield or Old Trafford in important games and see us stick a couple past them. I'm sure no one my age knows what that feels like.
Having read some of the responses, I think I probably got the title of the thread wrong because of course we should expect success. I expect success as well. The thing I was getting at was that just because of our name we aren't entitled to it. The players and manager actually have to go out and earn it. That didn't happen yesterday and no matter how poor Moyes' team selection was, those players out there were an absolute ****ing disgrace to our shirt. Wigan played very well, but they're relegation candidates. Yet our 11 players let them take the piss out of us. That's down to the players out there at the end of the day and that's why we crashed out yesterday, that's why we were humiliated in the semi last year and why we haven't been winning trophies. Even against Chelsea in the League Cup Semi Final at Stamford Bridge, Jolean Lescott allowed Shaun Wright Phillips to beat him in the air to get them a last minute winner. How does that happen?
The other thing that is being mentioned is Moyes. I don't know how Tubey can say we weren't relegation fodder before Moyes came in? From 98 to 2002 when Moyes came in we had finished 17th, 14th, 13th and 16th. Every season I used to be terrified of us going down. In 98/99 (finished 14th) we were 18th after a defeat to Sheffield Wednesday in early april. If it wasn't for Kevin Campbell in the next couple of matches we'd have been down and out.
Moyes has changed us from a struggling side to a top 8 side every season. As someone else mentioned, we could have Martinez who loses most games but wins the odd important one, or we could have Moyes whose record has been pretty abysmal in big games, but wins the majority of the rest. Or would some people rather win a cup and then go down? We have progressed in the league under Moyes but fallen short in the cups. I agree it's unacceptable to do so poorly in the cups but we have stability in the league. If we had a bit of money, i'm sure we would genuinely be pushing for the top 4 and have won a trophy by now because our squad would be capable of it.
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