All good things must come to an end

[njligernj]

We all know that contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on. We know that he could insert a clause that if certain clubs want to talk to him he is at liberty to do so.

Fairly sure if EFC announced Moyes had signed for another 5 years and then two months later he buggered off to Arsenal because of a secret "big club" clause that people here (even those who want Moyes gone) would not take that well.

So why not just have done that a month ago and remained focused on the task in hand?

Yeah it's not like he realized the need to strengthen the squad, identified a target, flew him over on a private jet, then had the rug pulled out from under him. With the best chance we've had in years of a good finish ... what part of January's transfer events (or lack thereof) would make you feel like this was a club you wanted to commit to for another 5 years?

All this speculation highlights the fact that EFC have little or no dough and it gives him a ready made excuse as our once promising season just drifts away from us with no scrutiny of how his tactics and naff susbstitutions screwed us up.

We should get back the caretaker manager who had us in the race for fourth place from summer until January. That guy was great!

If only someone on here would scrutinize his tactics and substitutions ... but sadly thus far not a single person has done so.

How did my beloved club arrive at the situation where a very average coach can hold us to ransome like this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/dec/26/deniscampbell.theobserver

 

[D410]

that last link from the guardian is a sick read.

1999
Theatre impresario Bill Kenwright has finally emerged triumphant in his long-running battle to take control of Everton, one of British football's fallen giants.
Johnson, a Jersey-based businessman, has agreed to sell his 68 per cent stake to Kenwright for £20m, a few months after seeking £50m.

Fans have bitterly criticised Johnson for refusing to invest in the club and selling star players. 'This is a great Christmas present for all Everton fans,' said Kevin Nolan of the Everton shareholders' association.

The club has debts of at least £15m and desperately needs a major cash injection to buy new players.

 

[riddick]

that last link from the guardian is a sick read.



Fans have bitterly criticised Johnson for refusing to invest in the club and selling star players. 'This is a great Christmas present for all Everton fans,' said Kevin Nolan of the Everton shareholders' association.

The club has debts of at least £15m and desperately needs a major cash injection to buy new players.

so what is different between what Johnson did not investing in the club and selling star players and what kenwright had done? just a sham what a fan of the club has let this become..

 

[toffeestillidie]

I know Moyes won't get sacked for the simple reason if the board aren't able to complete a signing beyond that of an 18 year old right back in the entire month of january, there is no way they possess the competency to complete the paperwork needed to both sack Moyes and hire a new manager by the end of the season.

Besides, it would be disrespectful. Say what you want about the man, his negative tactics and his wages, but there's a very real chance we wouldn't be in the EPL without him.

Since it's pretty clear he's on his way out at the end of the season, I would like it if he gambled a bit on the Oldham game and started some youngsters. Our football has grown stale and we need a spark, even if it is a risky move the way I see it he has nothing to lose. IMO it's better than grinding out a win with our best XI, continuing to play the way we have been and fizzling out in the next round.

 

[D410]

so what is different between what Johnson did not investing in the club and selling star players and what kenwright had done? just a sham what a fan of the club has let this become..

Silverware under Johnson
Nothing under Bill

 

[toffeestillidie]

that last link from the guardian is a sick read.

1999
Theatre impresario Bill Kenwright has finally emerged triumphant in his long-running battle to take control of Everton, one of British football's fallen giants.
Johnson, a Jersey-based businessman, has agreed to sell his 68 per cent stake to Kenwright for £20m, a few months after seeking £50m.

Fans have bitterly criticised Johnson for refusing to invest in the club and selling star players. 'This is a great Christmas present for all Everton fans,' said Kevin Nolan of the Everton shareholders' association.

The club has debts of at least £15m and desperately needs a major cash injection to buy new players.

Wow, he bought shares previously valued at 50mil for 20 mil? He's a very astute businessman, no wonder we get so many deals in the transfer markets :blink:

 

[D410]

Wow, he bought shares previously valued at 50mil for 20 mil? He's a very astute businessman, no wonder we get so many deals in the transfer markets :blink:

He did,nt have the 20m to pay for them in the first place but he is asking anywhere between 100m-200m for the club.

Not stuck a penny into the club.

and we are afraid of a bad man taking over the club in the future...you have to laugh

 

[IOM]

I'm sure the Kenwright spin machine will be in full operation very soon.

"We offered him the best contract in the history of the club but his head had been turned"

Should read ...

"The board and I failed to back David during the really important transfer windows and just as it seemed like we were about to make progress we destroyed it for him and the fans ..."

"I would cycle to the moon on ET's bike to watch Everton in the Boys pen ..."

"I'm a boss Blue me and 75% of the Everton fans still think I'm ace the moronic pr!ck5"

 

[Khalekan]

There is something paradoxical about Bill's tenure at Goodison and the lack of money being the reason Moyes is unable to win anything or show he is anything more than an average coach.

Because if we had been rolling in dosh at the time Smith was sent packing we would have been employing an establiehed coach with PL credentials or at the very least, employing someone whom had succeeded at the highest level abroad.

We wouldn't have been turning to an unknown Scot whom hardly did great things at Preston.

He wouldn't have even been interviewed at our club.

And during the last ten years he'd have been on the same managerial merry go round as Big Sam, O'Neill, Bruce, McCarthy and the rest of them.

And this is what the Moyes acolytes refuse to admit.

Eveton made Moyes.....it is not the other way round.

But rest easy, lads.

Your hero ain't going anywhere.

You know as well as the rest of us know, he ain't getting the keys to Old Trafford nor will he be let loose with Roman billions or Citeh's gazillions.

He is the luckiest man alive and it would be nice if he started acting like he appreciates the riches our potless club has given him instead of making himself the focus of attention at every available opportunity.

 

[blueblue]

There is an enormous difference between the club now and the club under the tenure of Peter Johnson.Yes,we won the cup,but the manager who won it was sacked shortly afterwards.Under the tenure of Peter Johnson we were in a tailspin.People seem to have forgotten the banners that appeared on the kop at that time "come home agent Johnson mission accomplished".

We are now a top six club,and that is not down to the manager alone.Successful clubs are successful throughout the entire organisation.

Unfortunately we are not a wealthy club and in football today,if you want to be a winner you must be wealthy.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

This kind of thread is pointless.

As has been said mant times before, Everton is as good as it gets for Moyes.

He is a very average coach whom has somehow wrangled his way into a job paying almost £4,000,000 per annum without a scintilla of pressure for results being put on him by his employers.

If we win a few games he is praised in the media as a miracle worker for "over achieving" with no money.

If we lose a few matches we are told it isn't "his fault" as he has no money.

Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool have had umpteen changes of manager during Moyes's time at Goodison.

Man City have had two or three since they came into the dough.

No one ever comes looking for Moyes.

Hie reputation is very much media driven but in the major boardrooms up and down the country it seems the honchos don't share their opinion of him.

Get yer heads round it, lads.

Moyes will do his usual fannying around for the next few months and will then sign on for five more glorious years.

In the meantime we will quietly drift away from the CL fight and will not make the semi final of the Cup as the whole focus of affairs at Everton becomes fixed on Moyes and the "will he, won't he" hokey cokey he now performs when his contract is up for renewal.

Moyes has the best job in the world and he won't be walking away from it.

And sadly, none of the more monied teams are going to come along and head hunt him and allow Everton to start breathing again with someone new.

So, if Moyes is so utterly ****e, can you please explain to us how he's overseen a change in the club's fortunes from perennial relegation candidates to a position where we're even TALKING about Champion's League places in January, rather than worrying where the points are going to come from to get us to 40?

Not to mention the fact that he's taken us to 3 semi finals, and on one occasion been less than 90mins from winning the FA Cup. Yes, I want us to win silverware, and it's disappointing that we haven't. But it also isn't like we've been out in the 3rd round every year, with absolutely no impression of that changing.

Your post basically reads like Moyes took us over in a bad position, and 10 years later nothing is different.

Well, I think there's a good chance you'll get your way, and this time next year, when we're in the bottom half, with Roberto Martinez in charge, we'll see whether you finally appreciate the good work Moyes has done at the club.

 

[riddick]

There is an enormous difference between the club now and the club under the tenure of Peter Johnson.Yes,we won the cup,but the manager who won it was sacked shortly afterwards.Under the tenure of Peter Johnson we were in a tailspin.People seem to have forgotten the banners that appeared on the kop at that time "come home agent Johnson mission accomplished".

We are now a top six club,and that is not down to the manager alone.Successful clubs are successful throughout the entire organisation.

Unfortunately we are not a wealthy club and in football today,if you want to be a winner you must be wealthy.

in what realm has anything in this great club other than moyes been a success?

 

[Khalekan]

If you are going to debate with me, Birkenhead Blue, have the decency to quote me properly.

I never said he was "utterly s****".......I said he was, nay is, "very average".

And that litany of "success" shows just how "very average" he is.

Three semi finals......one "less than ninety minures from winning the F.A. Cup"......and a regular place just above upper mid-table.

Big whoop.


Tony Pulis was "ninety minutes away" from F.A. Cup victory a couple years ago.....so was Cardiff's manager when they played Pompey.

This is the problem the people infected with the Moyes myth face.

Every time they list his "achievements" they merely saw off the branch they are sitting on.

But worry not, my friend.

Your man won't be leaving us.

He will be keeping us safe from perdition for at least another five years because no club with more money than EFC is going to offer our very average manager a better deal than Bill Kenwright is.

More's the pity.

 

[Bluenose1995]

so what is different between what Johnson did not investing in the club and selling star players and what kenwright had done? just a sham what a fan of the club has let this become..

exactly mate these clap clap clappers are clowns they care more that he is an evertonian rather than seeing he is the exact same as Johnson.

 

[Chang Elephant]

We are now a top six club,and that is not down to the manager alone.Successful clubs are successful throughout the entire organisation.

The manager has been allowed a near nil net spend over 10 years by a board that has successfully cocked up every opportunity placed in front of it. I dispute your conclusions though admire your open love for another man...Bill K.