Is it time for Technology?

[Allezfan]

Goal-line technology will do nothing but create divisions within the game, and it won't stop there.

I honestly don't get why this bothers you so much, Cena. It's no different to the fact that you have more officials in top games then lower games. (6 in Europe, 4 in the pl, and 3 in the lower leagues.) As the games get more improtant, the officialing become more important and so you use more and better officials. Whereas ina kickabout, you can just ask the players whos throw in it is, ian world cup final you need a little machine to tell you.

It's the same as it ever was. Linesman used to be something that only ever happened at the top levels, too. It doesn't make the actual game any different any more than the difference in stadia does.

 

[bluejock]

football becoming more and more upper-middle class everyday.

*chokes on roast swan ciabatta in disgust

 

[zed]

It's a start so the people who apparently not only don't watch any sports other than football but aren't even aware of their existence can realize that it doesn't destroy the very fabric of the game. Honestly some of the arguments against it are some of the least logical things I've ever heard: "what's next, reviewing every single throw-in?" Seeing how nobody in the entire world -- even the most fervent replay supporter who might want 2 or so manager challenges per game (including the ability to reverse a red card or penalty) -- would want something like throw-ins reviewed I don't think it's really a concern.

That said, while I support video technology in sports I'm 50/50 on if it will work purely because the people in charge of football are some of the stupidest people on earth and through either incompetence or sabotage (RIP MCA) will make replays in football such a mess that they are removed. Still worth a shot though.

did i say `throw ins`? you mentioned it twice. i think 4 challenges is the way to go. you want goal line technology? ukraines `goal` last week was offside. Boltons `goal` against us was a foul on Southall. lets not put the cart before the horse eh! like you say `the stupidest people in the world run football` are they really stupid? or just corrupt?

 

[Cena]

There won't be stadiums soon enough, it'l just be a robot sport with technology, who'l need fans when they'l be able to artificially create them, press a button and the atmosphere goes louder.

Mark my words this is the start, football will go to the dogs in 10-15 years time

 

[Cena]

With technology on the goal-line by the way we would of been relegated in 98

 

[Allezfan]

There won't be stadiums soon enough, it'l just be a robot sport with technology, who'l need fans when they'l be able to artificially create them, press a button and the atmosphere goes louder.

Mark my words this is the start, football will go to the dogs in 10-15 years time

Slippery slope arguemtns are such bollocks.

 

[Cena]

Slippery slope arguemtns are such bollocks.

We'l see won't we, attendances are already down all over the place. The football bubble will burst and when it does sh*t will hit the fan

 

[Allezfan]

We'l see won't we, attendances are already down all over the place. The football bubble will burst and when it does sh*t will hit the fan

But one thing can happen after another thing without there being any cause or effect. Blaming football pricing out it's audience on goalline technology is like blaming it on the death of Michael Jackson.

 

[Cena]

I'm not blaming the pricing on GLT but it's clearly a component of it - the television companies wan't this TV friendly game that appeals to the middle-class masses who pay for Sky subscription. They watch wanting fair play and everything to be superior, thats why we get all this 'best league in the world' nonsense.

Bringing in GLT your alienating the paying fan again who goes the game in order to make the TV watching fan happier.

 

[Allezfan]

I'm not blaming the pricing on GLT but it's clearly a component of it - the television companies wan't this TV friendly game that appeals to the middle-class masses who pay for Sky subscription. They watch wanting fair play and everything to be superior, thats why we get all this 'best league in the world' nonsense.

Bringing in GLT your alienating the paying fan again who goes the game in order to make the TV watching fan happier.

Which is fine, but I don't see why it should alienate the paying fan.

I don't get why you think GLT is such an anathema to live crowds.

 

[Cena]

Which is fine, but I don't see why it should alienate the paying fan.

I don't get why you think GLT is such an anathema to live crowds.

It won't be initially, it will be lapped up especially when teams get decisions their way. But is it just gonna be Premier League? FA Cup aswell? Just televised games like in Rugby League.

Teams playing by different rules all to make the TV fan happy whilst the fan in the stands who pays the money doesn't know what is going on.

You get an FA Cup game Lower League Team Vs Prem Team - no GLT, same competition, same round, Prem Vs Prem - televised game, GLT used.

Both games have a goaline incident where the ball is over the line, except the lower league isnt given the goal, but the Prem team in the other match is because their televised match has GLT.

So the lower league team misses out maybe on a money-spinning replay or going through to the next round, which would of helped them to mayb survive another season. Instead they maybe have to put ticket prices up the following season, or release players because they can't afford them leaving a player out of work, whilst the other game where the Prem team got the decision, well that's ok because it's on live TV and fair play was rewarded in the eyes of the armchair fan.

So sketchy and so badly wrong, gona open a huge can of worms and as I say it won't stop there either. Just another decision in the long line of decisions taking the game away from the working class supporter in order to appease to money and the middle class.

 

[Allezfan]

It won't be initially, it will be lapped up especially when teams get decisions their way. But is it just gonna be Premier League? FA Cup aswell? Just televised games like in Rugby League.

Teams playing by different rules all to make the TV fan happy whilst the fan in the stands who pays the money doesn't know what is going on.

You get an FA Cup game Lower League Team Vs Prem Team - no GLT, same competition, same round, Prem Vs Prem - televised game, GLT used.

Both games have a goaline incident where the ball is over the line, except the lower league isnt given the goal, but the Prem team in the other match is because their televised match has GLT.

So the lower league team misses out maybe on a money-spinning replay or going through to the next round, which would of helped them to mayb survive another season. Instead they maybe have to put ticket prices up the following season, or release players because they can't afford them leaving a player out of work, whilst the other game where the Prem team got the decision, well that's ok because it's on live TV and fair play was rewarded in the eyes of the armchair fan.

So sketchy and so badly wrong, gona open a huge can of worms and as I say it won't stop there either. Just another decision in the long line of decisions taking the game away from the working class supporter in order to appease to money and the middle class.

But higher profile games have always had better officials then lower league games. Better ranked Refs with experience, better linesmen (or just linesmen full stop back in the day), a 4th official, extra officials behind the goals etc.

The rules are still the same, the game is still the same, it's just there's less mistakes. And if less mistakes in the big games is unfair on teams who don't play in those games then you're arguing against professional referees full stop. You're arguning that if the ref in the blue square is so incompetant he makes twenty mistakes a game, but Howard Webb has a faultless game then that's unfair so we have to get Howard Webb to make more mistakes. Maybe by stabbing him in the eye so he can't see properly. You are never ever going to get a consistenty of officialing unless every game is reffed by the same person to the same standard, it's impossible. There will always be a situation where one ref gets a call right and another would get it wrong.

You also seem to be arguing that a case where two goals are wrongly disallowed is better than one when one is and one isn't because then at least it's equally unfair but surely the less mistakes the fairier it is. Better only one team is robbed than two. Because if we don't introduce GLT in your scenario that team still loses out on that repaly and that money, it's just another team does too. how is that better? Especially since a third team will coast through without any controversial decisions and gain an unfair up on both teams.

 

[Cena]

I dunno why your comparing referee's, I'm not saying anything about mistakes or anything like that at all. Refs, whatever level make mistakes, whatever level have great games, but what are we gonna do then, have no GLT in FA Cup games or in some games or what? We just gonna have the Premier League by itself standing alone with GLT?

Your justifying it which is proving my point, like I said making sure the TV fan is happy, who cares about the lower league, as long as the Elite is working and Sky and whoever get their subscription money than that's ok - and doesn't that fit in brilliantly with GLT?

Whose gonna bother watching lower league football - 'this is garbage this, in the Premier League that wouldn't of stood because the camera's and technology would or proved it wasn't a goal, why bother with this?'

I'm saying about how it's alienating the paying/match going fan. Again, our prices are being driven up to watch football in the flesh all to make the TV fan happy, and won't they just love the tension when a decision gets referred like in tennis, cricket, they'l be in pubs clapping like they do at Wimbledon for hawkeye, they'l be sitting there listening to tension music while the 5th official puts on the big-screen either GOAL or NO GOAL like the way in cricket it's WICKET/NO WICKET.

 

[Allezfan]

Your justifying it which is proving my point, like I said making sure the TV fan is happy, who cares about the lower league, as long as the Elite is working and Sky and whoever get their subscription money than that's ok - and doesn't that fit in brilliantly with GLT?

I've watched as much football as you have, mate. Don't try and paint me as someone who's never seen a game live.

 

[Cena]

I've watched as much football as you have, mate. Don't try and paint me as someone who's never seen a game live.

I'm not doing that in the slightest, i'm saying that your justifying my point with your comment about refs and mistakes they make. As long as in the Elite end of the game there is a right decision that's fine, but stuff the lower league, the TV fan doesn't watch that stuff anyway.

Never hinted or stated you were someone who doesnt go to a live game so if that's the way u read it it wasn't meant at all