They were mostly 10s though
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £50m
Fact is, Everton needs to be a club whose first eleven is mostly composed of senior pros with a sprinkling of younger talent. This is not a club that should lower itself to being a development side or finishing school.
Moyes understands this.
All these people who obsess over player trading can go boil their heads. This isn’t Football Manager.
Moyes understands this.
All these people who obsess over player trading can go boil their heads. This isn’t Football Manager.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Everton needs to be a club that wins trophies, plays in the champions league, wins derbies, and wins big games against big opposition. Couldn’t care less about the age profile of the team.
Moyes does not understand this unfortunately. He’s very good at moving a team from the bottom of the table to pushing for Europe, he’s not very good at getting over the line in any meaningful way.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Thats not a fact though.
If Moyes signs players of the same age range of KDH & Grealish for short term success then:
1: Theres not enough money to cover the wages or fees of top class players.
2: The squad value will drop off the older they get which removes resale value.
3: The team will get worse year on year.
4: The rules will ensure that we are unable to compete with the top 6 clubs.
Pretty much all the ingredients to destroy the club and a similar strategy to Moyes at Sunderland.
ToffeeScot
Player Valuation: £25m
We need to be ahead of the curve on things. That's where we have been failing dreadfully pre-TFG. That includes transfers and managerial appointments. Look how smoothly Bournemouth navigated the transfer of Semenyo out and Raya in, or Iraola out and Rose in. We need to be better at doing that.
I'm worried we won't coordinate Moyes' exit smoothly and we will lose out on a good manager because he's been picked up by someone else.
I'm worried we won't coordinate Moyes' exit smoothly and we will lose out on a good manager because he's been picked up by someone else.
Tbf our recent appointments were after an unplanned sacking and Real Madrid plucking, though we do seem to drag things out a bit much alright. Throw back to Drama Bill's deadline day approach perhaps?
….i’m a huge believer in players earning game time, it’s not some perfectly magical world where you just play footballers until they become good as one poster seems to think.
Saying that, something in the Michael Keane podcast (well worth a listen) resonated. Keane said something along the lines of ‘Ancelotti was brilliant at keeping players happy by rotating, the best I’ve ever played under’. I understand why Moyes picks the X1 he thinks will best get a result but I also think it useful to freshen things up occasionally, Rohl and Armstrong in particular have deserved that.
Saying that, something in the Michael Keane podcast (well worth a listen) resonated. Keane said something along the lines of ‘Ancelotti was brilliant at keeping players happy by rotating, the best I’ve ever played under’. I understand why Moyes picks the X1 he thinks will best get a result but I also think it useful to freshen things up occasionally, Rohl and Armstrong in particular have deserved that.
Good post, this is what annoys me most about Moyes, don't get me wrong he's been our best manager since Ancelotti, but he does in my opinion need to rotate players a bit more, they need to be match ready for when their called on. Even if it means they get the last 20 of the match for a chance to show something, or one change to rest a player who plays regulary and it keeps all players on their toes.
Delargeinho
Player Valuation: £35m
Should be, but missed on the train to monetize in the 90s as one of the main reason this league became the premier league. As sad as it is, if you want football without money you need to watch amateurs.
Clubs like Villa and us will be limited at one stage even with a good strategy.
Bluepablo
Player Valuation: £8m
Your competitors are a variable you can't control, other than playing them twice a season.
Now, I've done no researching back here, so I stand to be corrected, but my gut instinct and perhaps dodgy memory tells me that most seasons there's normally a league that you can split in to 4 groups. Group one, challenging for the title or among the clear favourites for CL qualification. Group 2 is a handful of teams battling for the minor European places. Group 3 is often a few teams who never really get sucked in to a relegation battle, but never really trouble the top half, and then group 4 is those fighting for survival.
This season though, it's almost like it's become 3 groups, with almost everybody other than those who've been, or are in a relegation battle seemingly in with a chance of Europe. There's only really been Palace this season who I'd put in to that group 3. Is this sort of dynamic largely because there's so many potential European places now? Yeah, to a degree I think it is. But then there's still only a gap of 8 points between the 'traditional' 6th place spot and 14th.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if we finished 11th in this season, I wouldn't think we were anything other than a very similar side to whoever finishes say 7th, and I wouldn't see it as our level is in that third teir of teams.
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Sounds a bit like losing the cup final by only one goal. Similar sides but one wins & the other loses.
Having the ability to win or get over the line first is what distinguishes the winners from the losers.
Hopefully Moyes can get us over the line for Europe which would represent an improvement & a step in the right direction.
Now, I've done no researching back here, so I stand to be corrected, but my gut instinct and perhaps dodgy memory tells me that most seasons there's normally a league that you can split in to 4 groups. Group one, challenging for the title or among the clear favourites for CL qualification. Group 2 is a handful of teams battling for the minor European places. Group 3 is often a few teams who never really get sucked in to a relegation battle, but never really trouble the top half, and then group 4 is those fighting for survival.
This season though, it's almost like it's become 3 groups, with almost everybody other than those who've been, or are in a relegation battle seemingly in with a chance of Europe. There's only really been Palace this season who I'd put in to that group 3. Is this sort of dynamic largely because there's so many potential European places now? Yeah, to a degree I think it is. But then there's still only a gap of 8 points between the 'traditional' 6th place spot and 14th.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if we finished 11th in this season, I wouldn't think we were anything other than a very similar side to whoever finishes say 7th, and I wouldn't see it as our level is in that third teir of teams.
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Sounds a bit like losing the cup final by only one goal. Similar sides but one wins & the other loses.
Having the ability to win or get over the line first is what distinguishes the winners from the losers.
Hopefully Moyes can get us over the line for Europe which would represent an improvement & a step in the right direction.
I think that's true mate. But in the last 25 years, which manager has had us closest to qualifying for Europe regularly etc?
I remember some players saying similar about Ferguson. They said he had this way of dropping them, by telling them he had a key game for them in say 3 weeks time so he needs them for that.
Quite dishonest, but ultimately it's about how you phrase the message.
For all his strength I'm not sure Moyes has that in his personality.
Ferguson1878
Player Valuation: £35m
dyche would have won that on Sunday
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £50m
No, you have a blend. The massive clubs will come in for the best players, which is where you get a few massive fees. The very good guys who are maybe not quite this level form the backbone of the group. You then have younger players who graduate into the first team.
Moyes had no strategy at Sunderland - he was there for just a season and had very little input into signings and none of his own coaching staff.
Basically we will have the handful of top players who will leave for massive fees to the biggest clubs. Then we’ll have the very good players who form the backbone of the team and spend most of their prime years here. Then we’ll have the younger players who come up and refresh the group.
Moyes was never a guy who went out and signed older players as a rule, outside of a few pragmatic acquisitions.
Players like Fellaini, Baines, Arteta and Coleman were all young when they signed.
What people seem to want is for loads of signings around the 21-year-old range and I just don’t think it’s practical
How? We'd have been lucky to have had a shot on target
