Defining moments.

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I know Utd are not the team they were. But for this group of players to go to Old Trafford with Moyes at the helm, and decades of mental baggage to overcome, could Ganas moment of madness help propel the team as a unit to bigger things with more self belief? Many of us remember the 'Kevin Brock' moment. Let's get Barry a goal on Saturday and wash the misery of the last several years out of our hair.
By the way, I'm not saying we'll win the league next year, like we did back then, but it might inspire the team collectively to show more authority.
 

I've been thinking about this - and I think it's worth considering in equal measure what this means for David Moyes' approach, too.

He's never been able to pull this off, to the point where it's felt like he stopped trying at some point in his last spell with us - and instead consistently went into these games with a "don't get beat too heavily," mindset.

Perhaps this will encourage him to set his teams out more on the front foot. We looked so dominant in that game up until the red card (and even after for a spell).
 
I don’t think the slap is a defining moment, but the win certainly is. We were playing well before the slap so it wasn’t a turning point for us to play better, what’s so impressive is that it wasn’t a turning point for us to collapse. The goal was a defining moment of course, but Jordan’s miraculous save was too - like his one against Chelsea in the Richi-flare game, it was the moment when we all started to think ‘I think we might actually do this!’
 
blue61 said:
I know Utd are not the team they were. But for this group of players to go to Old Trafford with Moyes at the helm, and decades of mental baggage to overcome, could Ganas moment of madness help propel the team as a unit to bigger things with more self belief? Many of us remember the 'Kevin Brock' moment. Let's get Barry a goal on Saturday and wash the misery of the last several years out of our hair.
By the way, I'm not saying we'll win the league next year, like we did back then, but it might inspire the team collectively to show more authority.
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It has to change the mentality of Evertonians shivering at the prospect of going to an erstwhile "Big Four" ground and watching our side capitulating before they get off the bus.

It is, by definition, difficult to win at these places - but right now only Arsenal of those four clubs are significantly better than us. We need to remember that.

Going there and being happy to make up the numbers or taking satisfaction from plucky defeats has to end. Why shouldn't we win at these places now and again if we've got our house in order?
 

Let's hope its a defining moment, like when the 80s team, after the Brock moment, beat Liverpool and realised they could compete toe to toe.

Or they could just forget it and turn up misfiring again ... because its Everton.
 
We’ve had so many of these ‘moments’ over the years. Some have acted as the catalyst for kick-starting a season (Neville’s tackle on Ronaldo springs to mind), but all too often we’ve fallen flat on our faces with a tepid performance in the next match.

You hope that the mental strength in this group of players has grown. You hope that the manager now knows he can go to these places and win.

You can’t go out there hoping to defend resolutely for 90mins and maybe pick up a point or not get walloped.
 
allen said:
I've been thinking about this - and I think it's worth considering in equal measure what this means for David Moyes' approach, too.

He's never been able to pull this off, to the point where it's felt like he stopped trying at some point in his last spell with us - and instead consistently went into these games with a "don't get beat too heavily," mindset.
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allen said:
Perhaps this will encourage him to set his teams out more on the front foot. We looked so dominant in that game up until the red card (and even after for a spell).
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Or, conversely...
It might make him think...allegedly/hypothetically...if I can win 0-1 away defending with only 10 men, maybe I can do even better by defending with the full 11.
 

I think turning point was when we got a throw in corner by our fans, and our fans were getting behind side. I think those times when we have backs to wall and players know they have our support changes things. Just like Neville challenge, it was like a morgue 1st half at GP, after that tackle it was deafening. I'm not gonna get carried away but I think Moyes is better with back to wall siege mentality.
 
Ed_Winchester said:
We’ve had so many of these ‘moments’ over the years. Some have acted as the catalyst for kick-starting a season (Neville’s tackle on Ronaldo springs to mind), but all too often we’ve fallen flat on our faces with a tepid performance in the next match.

You hope that the mental strength in this group of players has grown. You hope that the manager now knows he can go to these places and win.

You can’t go out there hoping to defend resolutely for 90mins and maybe pick up a point or not get walloped.
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Maybe the fortitude was forced to the fore because the geriatrics had gone off early doors? A collective effort to champion the trials of their fallen comrades?

Defining moments... The story was written at Elland road vs Spurs. Thought the gosling goal and the surrounding furore was one. Knew we were cooked when Jagielka got his ACL.
Maybe Barry scores and it begins the end of days?
 
….you don’t actually mean a :eek:

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I've been sort of pouring cold water over the result given how relatively rubbish United currently are, but I hope psychologically it's a mentality shift for some of the players and Moyes himself having a set of bollox on him. He's a very accomplished manager who has done great work in almost off of his jobs, he should be demanding his teams to go away and impose themselves on the game.

I'm going to Chelsea in a few weeks, wouldn't mind that duck being broken! (or at least go there and just give them a game haha)
 

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