Relegation Thread 25-26

[knowing your history]

We really have to stop fearing expensively-assembled crap teams. United are demonstrably rubbish. A draw should not be beyond us. Certainly, if we go there and have a go, we have a chance. Newcastle are struggling. Forest are struggling. Bournemouth, right now, are struggling. We're not likely to win all four, but I don't see why we should lose all four either. There are points available in each of these games for us. Let's attack them and see where we are in December.

Oh yeah for sure I'm positive about the home games.

Moyes has never been a great manager though for getting on the front foot away to probable top 6-7. His dismal record in his first spell said it all at all those venues and since he's come back it has still been defeats at Chelsea, RS twice and Man. City for all that the performances were o.k.

Games like that are where the lack of goals from the CFs really hurt. One goal from those four games.

 

[Drico]

Oh yeah for sure I'm positive about the home games.

Moyes has never been a great manager though for getting on the front foot away to probable top 6-7. His dismal record in his first spell said it all at all those venues and since he's come back it has still been defeats at Chelsea, RS twice and Man. City for all that the performances were o.k.

Games like that are where the lack of goals from the CFs really hurt. One goal from those four games.

I agree - but this is his challenge now. Any manager worth his salt in his position must be asking himself: "what can I do to get a contract extension?". The path for Moyes is maintain stability and demonstrate progression. That means either finishing top eight, winning a cup, or winning occasionally at our so-called betters while moving us inexorably up the table. If he won, say, at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge this season while pushing us to 10th, he'd have an argument. He could claim not only stability, but progress AND a new-found ability to win at grounds that many of us believe act as self-imposed ceilings to his potential.

That said, maybe he already knows he's out of here in the summer. In that case, what has he to lose?

I want to see us go at a poor United side. If we perform, we have a chance. I don't expect to win. But I do expect us to have a go and for us to be competitive.

 

[knowing your history]

I agree - but this is his challenge now. Any manager worth his salt in his position must be asking himself: "what can I do to get a contract extension?". The path for Moyes is maintain stability and demonstrate progression. That means either finishing top eight, winning a cup, or winning occasionally at our so-called betters while moving us inexorably up the table. If he won, say, at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge this season while pushing us to 10th, he'd have an argument. He could claim not only stability, but progress AND a new-found ability to win at grounds that many of us believe act as self-imposed ceilings to his potential.

That said, maybe he already knows he's out of here in the summer. In that case, what has he to lose?

I want to see us go at a poor United side. If we perform, we have a chance. I don't expect to win. But I do expect us to have a go and for us to be competitive.

Grealish one side and Ndiaye the other will cause Man. United issues if the ball is released quickly enough for them.

Ultimately though Moyes has been managing for 30 years now and he won't change his mentality at this point so it will be safety first and try to cling on for a point for as long as possible.

 

[knowing your history]

Leeds next four games:

Home to Villa
Man. City away
Chelsea home
RS home.

My outside tip would be Rodgers managing them in a month's time as that feels the sort of prem job he'll end up back in. Think Farke will be the next one fighting for his job anyway.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Grealish one side and Ndiaye the other will cause Man. United issues if the ball is released quickly enough for them.

Ultimately though Moyes has been managing for 30 years now and he won't change his mentality at this point so it will be safety first and try to cling on for a point for as long as possible.

That’s silly. It all goes by the current relative strengths of the team.

I doubt we’ll be as fearful of Man Utd at the moment as it is a game where we have a reasonable chance of a result.

 

[Drico]

Grealish one side and Ndiaye the other will cause Man. United issues if the ball is released quickly enough for them.

Ultimately though Moyes has been managing for 30 years now and he won't change his mentality at this point so it will be safety first and try to cling on for a point for as long as possible.

Indeed. It's why he'll be moved on come summer.

 

[Runub]

My prediction, Wolves, Burnley and the RS

 

[windymiller]

Leeds next four games:

Home to Villa
Man. City away
Chelsea home
RS home.

My outside tip would be Rodgers managing them in a month's time as that feels the sort of prem job he'll end up back in. Think Farke will be the next one fighting for his job anyway.

That's a rough run of fixtures. Good opportunity to put them in our rear view.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Feel like the relegation picture clarified a good bit this weekend. Wolves and Burnley are in serious bother and I doubt they survive it, us and Brentford won't be involved (surprisingly in Brentford's case, but they keep churning out the points). Think the third spot is between Leeds and West Ham with Leeds more likely I reckon. Fulham should still be looking over their shoulder though, very little about them. Forest have enough quality to be fine too I reckon.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Feel like the relegation picture clarified a good bit this weekend. Wolves and Burnley are in serious bother and I doubt they survive it, us and Brentford won't be involved (surprisingly in Brentford's case, but they keep churning out the points). Think the third spot is between Leeds and West Ham with Leeds more likely I reckon. Fulham should still be looking over their shoulder though, very little about them. Forest have enough quality to be fine too I reckon.

I actually felt that with West Ham and Forrest winning, at the expense of Burnley and Leeds, that gap between the relegation zone and the rest has closed up. Forrest in 19th are now just 3 points off Newcastle in 14th.
There’s still so many games to play, anyone in the bottom half could drop into it if they go 3 games without a win.

 

[knowing your history]

I actually felt that with West Ham and Forrest winning, at the expense of Burnley and Leeds, that gap between the relegation zone and the rest has closed up. Forrest in 19th are now just 3 points off Newcastle in 14th.
There’s still so many games to play, anyone in the bottom half could drop into it if they go 3 games without a win.

Newcastle is the really interesting one if their home form dips for a month or longer.

They haven't won away yet and are getting big injuries and that has been against mostly bottom half so far so that will flip in the second half of the season and they'll be playing mostly top 7 chasers.

Little chance of them going down as they are generally strong at SJP but they could be that shock "big" team that flirts with relegation up to about April this season.

We saw in 21/22 the issues that can occur if you go months losing every single away game, that run from October 2021 up to I think the May when winning at Leicester was utterly horrific.

 

[catcherintherye]

Leeds next four games:

Home to Villa
Man. City away
Chelsea home
RS home.

My outside tip would be Rodgers managing them in a month's time as that feels the sort of prem job he'll end up back in. Think Farke will be the next one fighting for his job anyway.

Yes that's 4 defeats for them, and firmly on the same path as Leicester. They'll do well to get to 30 points.

 

[johnjoeefc]

That’s silly. It all goes by the current relative strengths of the team.

I doubt we’ll be as fearful of Man Utd at the moment as it is a game where we have a reasonable chance of a result.

Its been a fixture where a lot of sides get points in but somehow they thrashed us 4 nil there last year. Our slow defensive line often seems to get punished in this fixture and its hard to see this season being much different

 

[knowing your history]

Its been a fixture where a lot of sides get points in but somehow they thrashed us 4 nil there last year. Our slow defensive line often seems to get punished in this fixture and its hard to see this season being much different

They have been good at Old Trafford this season. Won their last four including to likes of Brighton, Sunderland and Chelsea. Only lost to Arsenal on opening day and should've got a draw from chances they created.

So different to last season when so many bottom half teams were strolling to 2-0 leads. Conceding four to them was completely embarrassing, didn't Zirzkee score twice? Probably 50% of his prem goals total!

Much rather play them at home as that was a much better performance last season and the three points slipped through the side's fingers that day after comfortably being 2-0 up.

 

[matty1878]

Its been a fixture where a lot of sides get points in but somehow they thrashed us 4 nil there last year. Our slow defensive line often seems to get punished in this fixture and its hard to see this season being much different

we had sean dyche mate then