The Joelinton Effect

Rehnman

Player Valuation: £750k
On one thread, a poster said something about us playing square pegs in round holes too much and it got me thinking. Are there some players who end up spending their entire careers in positions that - if you look at their strengths and weaknesses - they’re not actually best suited to at all? And if so, where should they really be playing? Joelinton was a low-scoring striker when Eddie Howe arrived at Newcastle, but Howe realised that - even if he lacked some quality - he had the kind of engine that could make him a powerful box to box midfielder. Do we have any players where a radical change of position could give them a completely new lease of life?

Of course, there’s long been the Michael Keane-to-centre forward debate - sometimes jokey, sometimes not! - but take Tim Iroegbunam. He apparently arrived as a defensive midfielder, but the positional awareness and passing you might expect from someone playing there are literally the worst parts of his game. The further forward he gets though, the better he gets - pressing high when out of possession and running at people when in it are what he’s best at, so where should he really be?

More radically, is Mykolenko really a left back or is he just left footed and defensive? His skillset is closer to a David Batty than an Ashley Cole, isn’t it? And what about Dwight McNeil? Shouldn’t he have been be made a left-back years ago?? He’s a lot more of an Andy Hinchcliffe than he is a Mo Salah or a Morgan Rodgers, yet right wing is where this manager is sticking him and number ten is where the last manager was. Whether those examples are right or wrong, are there other players anyone can think of, either now or in the past, whose careers with us could have been completely transformed by the Joelinton effect?
 

I think loads of players, maybe even a majority, spend their career playing in a position that they don't think is their 'natural' one. Obviously at some point someone is deciding that the skillset they have can be utilised elsewhere and so they're moved, whether that's a first team manager or a youth team coach or whatever. For lots of players there's a simplistic 'he's good at X so he should play in Y position' element from fans, but obviously there's a bit more to top level football than that so a lot of it is nonsense. Generally speaking, if you've come through an elite academy and played at the top level under numerous coaches and managers without any of them ever thinking you should change your position there's probably a good chance that it just isn't the right move.
 

On one thread, a poster said something about us playing square pegs in round holes too much and it got me thinking. Are there some players who end up spending their entire careers in positions that - if you look at their strengths and weaknesses - they’re not actually best suited to at all? And if so, where should they really be playing? Joelinton was a low-scoring striker when Eddie Howe arrived at Newcastle, but Howe realised that - even if he lacked some quality - he had the kind of engine that could make him a powerful box to box midfielder. Do we have any players where a radical change of position could give them a completely new lease of life?

Of course, there’s long been the Michael Keane-to-centre forward debate - sometimes jokey, sometimes not! - but take Tim Iroegbunam. He apparently arrived as a defensive midfielder, but the positional awareness and passing you might expect from someone playing there are literally the worst parts of his game. The further forward he gets though, the better he gets - pressing high when out of possession and running at people when in it are what he’s best at, so where should he really be?

More radically, is Mykolenko really a left back or is he just left footed and defensive? His skillset is closer to a David Batty than an Ashley Cole, isn’t it? And what about Dwight McNeil? Shouldn’t he have been be made a left-back years ago?? He’s a lot more of an Andy Hinchcliffe than he is a Mo Salah or a Morgan Rodgers, yet right wing is where this manager is sticking him and number ten is where the last manager was. Whether those examples are right or wrong, are there other players anyone can think of, either now or in the past, whose careers with us could have been completely transformed by the Joelinton effect?
Its worked for Joelinton because Howe is a proper coach who will put the hours in on the training ground with him. I don't see the same with Moyes he is a different type imo. In regards to the players we have, Mykolenko has actually played at CB when he was younger, McNeil hasn't got the legs to play LB, Im not really sure what his best role is tbh. Keane did start out in life as a striker and he can clearly finish but you see how nervous he is, it would be a nightmare with him up top, it would be Beto mk2 imo. Tim isn't good enough at this level imo, pure psr signing to keep the books looking good.
 

I'm all for the likes of Röhl and Garner having the quality to adapt to any position in a Alan "Zico" Harper needs must situation in a season, but someone who specialises in a certain position is always preferable and speaks volumes about a sound strategy squad wise.

Can we have another go at spiriting away Kenny Tete when Fulham aren't looking ?
 
Moyes has gone through his entire career playing countless players in different positions from where they previously played.


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Square pegs in what?!!!!!!!!…
 

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