New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[davek]

Please show your working out o this one.

How exactly do you think Evertonians will be 'paying' for the stadium? I ask because my thought is that if we are getting revenue from things other than the 19 home league games (and hopefully a few cup games) then surely that will be helping with the costs of the stadium and lighten the load on fans paying for it.

Fans pay for tickets, merchandise, hospitality. They also generate the interest to watch Everton and that accounts for the tv revenues the club gets, which in turn attracts advertisers and sponsors.

Everton would still be playing on Stanley Park otherwise. Do you think any club would attract ANYTHING without its fans?

Who else pays for the infrastructure of the football industry other than fans in one way shape or form?

 

[wandyr79]

Fans pay for tickets, merchandise, hospitality. They also generate the interest to watch Everton and that accounts for the tv revenues the club gets, which in turn attracts advertisers and sponsors.

Everton would still be playing on Stanley Park otherwise. Do you think any club would attract ANYTHING without its fans?

Who else pays for the infrastructure of the football industry other than fans in one way shape or form?

OK, I get the general idea that without fans there would not be a football club.

However, that is not what you were meaning surely? By using the term 'Lock, stock and barrel', it implied a negative connotation, the fans paying a lot more than they usually do. With the topic being the idea of non football/non Everton events being held there, again, the implication in your statement is that this extra cost, the fans will be up taking, is because of these events.

 

[davek]

OK, I get the general idea that without fans there would not be a football club.

However, that is not what you were meaning surely? By using the term 'Lock, stock and barrel', it implied a negative connotation, the fans paying a lot more than they usually do. With the topic being the idea of non football/non Everton events being held there, again, the implication in your statement is that this extra cost, the fans will be up taking, is because of these events.

The extra events wont touch the sides in terms of paying off the cost of that stadium. Our fans will pay the lion's share in some way over the next few decades...unless we attract bigger owners with larger wallets.

If that doesn't happen then it's Evertonians who pay for the stadium. My point is that takes us out of the realm of West Ham or City who had their stadium largely donated to them. And my bigger point is that because of that the way that Everton 'the club' are downgraded in terms of visualisation on the exterior and interior of that stadium....that our fans will pay for...is a huge piss-take. It's like getting a mortgage for a house through Santander and them plastering the outside of it with a client business logo and decorating the interior with other corporate guff rather than reflecting what you want it to look like.

Surey everyone gets that?

 

[wandyr79]

The extra events wont touch the sides in terms of paying off the cost of that stadium. Our fans will pay the lion's share in some way over the next few decades...unless we attract bigger owners with larger wallets.

If that doesn't happen then it's Evertonians who pay for the stadium. My point is that takes us out of the realm of West Ham or City who had their stadium largely donated to them. And my bigger point is that because of that the way that Everton 'the club' are downgraded in terms of visualisation on the exterior and interior of that stadium....that our fans will pay for...is a huge piss-take. It's like getting a mortgage for a house through Santander and them plastering the outside of it with a client business logo and decorating the interior with other corporate guff rather than reflecting what you want it to look like.

Surey everyone gets that?

Yeah, but work has been done on the interior especially to 'Evertonise' it. They aren't painting over Southall's face and putting Taylor Swift's face on it, or replacing the cup winners cup motif with a Grammy, or changing the footballs in the murals into Rugby balls. They may put up temporary flags and stuff inside and out but that is no big deal.

So, in your mind, the fans will paying regardless of any events. So what is your issue with a few non football fans rocking up now and again?

I think it is great that we have something to show off. With the last analogy you are going away from the topic at hand. Other events at the stadium. Now you are seemingly back onto the sponsorship again. There is more and more development every week, inside and out. Patience is the key with all that stuff, on here you have situations where there is 2/3 weeks of grumbling and then bang things are put up, another couple of weeks grumbling about something else and that is done.

Again, it is superb that we have something to show off at all. The rugby proved to us all what an amazing stadium we have and how we should be opening the doors to other things to 1: Show it off 2: Extra Revenue 3: Assist with the development of the area, the more it is used the more quickly the areas around the stadium will be developed and improved. I am not saying that we should be renting it out every other week but a Rugby match here and there is fine, a few concerts in the summer is more than fine.

 

[widnesblue]

It'll be the magic weekend they host, doubt the Grand Final as the poster says.

Pretty sure the magic weekend has been scrapped for next season. The is talk of it going ahead but right now, it’s just rumours.

 

[duncs pigeon]

@wandyr79 and @mahermi1 why oh why??? He doesnt need any encouragement

 

[wandyr79]

@wandyr79 and @mahermi1 why oh why??? He doesnt need any encouragement

I know, I know. I am weak, Generally I just tut and get on with my day, but now and again the urge to engage is too strong.

 

[davek]

Yeah, but work has been done on the interior especially to 'Evertonise' it. They aren't painting over Southall's face and putting Taylor Swift's face on it, or replacing the cup winners cup motif with a Grammy, or changing the footballs in the murals into Rugby balls. They may put up temporary flags and stuff inside and out but that is no big deal. So, in your mind, the fans will paying regardless of any events. So what is your issue with a few non football fans rocking up now and again? I think it is great that we have something to show off. With the last analogy you are going away from the topic at hand. Other events at the stadium. Now you are seemingly back onto the sponsorship again. There is more and more development every week, inside and out. Patience is the key with all that stuff, on here you have situations where there is 2/3 weeks of grumbling and then bang things are put up, another couple of weeks grumbling about something else and that is done.

Again, it is superb that we have something to show off at all. The rugby proved to us all what an amazing stadium we have and how we should be opening the doors to other things to 1: Show it off 2: Extra Revenue 3: Assist with the development of the area, the more it is used the more quickly the areas around the stadium will be developed and improved. I am not saying that we should be renting it out every other week but a Rugby match here and there is fine, a few concerts in the summer is more than fine.

No, I'm not.

They're interconnected.

If that stadium had EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB on the exterior and the seats were spelling out the club and our mottos etc then there'd be no argument.

That isn't the case though and this stadium just screams out H*** D******** to the world and the talk of it as a multi-function space etc etc further undermines our control over what IS our stadium...in every respect...or should be.

Until those issues are addressed this isn't our stadium. We may play there and the match coverage associates us with the stadium, it will never be home as things stand.

I suggest Everton do something about that before the novelty of this 'facility' wears off.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

No, I'm not.

They're interconnected.

If that stadium had EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB on the exterior and the seats were spelling out the club and our mottos etc then there'd be no argument.

That isn't the case though and this stadium just screams out H*** D******** to the world and the talk of it as a multi-function space etc etc further undermines our control over what IS our stadium...in every respect...or should be.

Until those issues are addressed this isn't our stadium. We may play there and the match coverage associates us with the stadium, it will never be home as things stand.

I suggest Everton do something about that before the novelty of this 'facility' wears off.

Everton finally move on in the commercial realm and you're still raging at the seeds in the raspberry jam on your crumpet. I wish my personal life was so carefree that I could have so much irrational focus.

 

[Bluerover]

Yeah, but work has been done on the interior especially to 'Evertonise' it. They aren't painting over Southall's face and putting Taylor Swift's face on it, or replacing the cup winners cup motif with a Grammy, or changing the footballs in the murals into Rugby balls. They may put up temporary flags and stuff inside and out but that is no big deal.

So, in your mind, the fans will paying regardless of any events. So what is your issue with a few non football fans rocking up now and again?

I think it is great that we have something to show off. With the last analogy you are going away from the topic at hand. Other events at the stadium. Now you are seemingly back onto the sponsorship again. There is more and more development every week, inside and out. Patience is the key with all that stuff, on here you have situations where there is 2/3 weeks of grumbling and then bang things are put up, another couple of weeks grumbling about something else and that is done.

Again, it is superb that we have something to show off at all. The rugby proved to us all what an amazing stadium we have and how we should be opening the doors to other things to 1: Show it off 2: Extra Revenue 3: Assist with the development of the area, the more it is used the more quickly the areas around the stadium will be developed and improved. I am not saying that we should be renting it out every other week but a Rugby match here and there is fine, a few concerts in the summer is more than fine.

Good post.


As regards so called access issues, might I suggest signs advising punters to 'OPEN YOUR FLIPPING EYES' near the food, drink and WC outlets.

Don't just blindly follow the nearest queue but look further on where it might not be so crowded.

The comment from the Widnes fan is apt in this regard. He had no problem accessing beer or toilets, nor exiting. He said he had eyes in his head.

 

[Pabbers]

Main issue seems to not actually be the stadium itself, but the staff in it.

Most issues can be easily fixed on the day with staff around to direct and point people to other kiosks / toilets / exits.

Also staffing at the kiosk can be easily fixed.

All small teething problems being blown out of proportion.

My own problem I could see rasing its head, is away fans exiting after the game.....more so the bigger games or bigger rivals, that exit merges with exiting Blues, in a small funnelled area....then opens onto the plaza.

I can see the away fans being moved or kept in more often than they did at Goodison.

 

[W84 Dum Freeze]

The extra events wont touch the sides in terms of paying off the cost of that stadium. Our fans will pay the lion's share in some way over the next few decades...unless we attract bigger owners with larger wallets.

If that doesn't happen then it's Evertonians who pay for the stadium. My point is that takes us out of the realm of West Ham or City who had their stadium largely donated to them. And my bigger point is that because of that the way that Everton 'the club' are downgraded in terms of visualisation on the exterior and interior of that stadium....that our fans will pay for...is a huge piss-take. It's like getting a mortgage for a house through Santander and them plastering the outside of it with a client business logo and decorating the interior with other corporate guff rather than reflecting what you want it to look like.

Surey everyone gets that?

It's not about how you "look" as a team, it is about how you perform on the pitch that makes people sit up and take notice.

For all the marketing and hyped up
click bate propaganda driven by the likes of in house bias punditry, say for example Keown, for Arsenal, creating a false narrative for the happy clappy television subscribers, influencing the marginal VAR decisions that turn points in their favour,
most people see this for what it is.

Everton play at Hill Dickinson Stadium, Bramley Moor Dock, on the banks of the Mersey in a splendid built for football stadium.

Everton don't need their name emblazoned everywhere for the world to stand and take notice, we have a renowned history and a fan base worthy of actual world class football.

When people see that is genuine, and not a over-hyped sales pitch, that's when they will truly take notice, as with our team of the mid-eighties.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Main issue seems to not actually be the stadium itself, but the staff in it.

Most issues can be easily fixed on the day with staff around to direct and point people to other kiosks / toilets / exits.

Also staffing at the kiosk can be easily fixed.

All small teething problems being blown out of proportion.

My own problem I could see rasing its head, is away fans exiting after the game.....more so the bigger games or bigger rivals, that exit merges with exiting Blues, in a small funnelled area....then opens onto the plaza.

I can see the away fans being moved or kept in more often than they did at Goodison.

I could be well off, but the club used to use Sodexo who'd rotate, largely retained staff between Goodison, Anfield, Aintree etc.

They've gone with Aramark UK for the new stadium, and it feels like every match day has a lot of people working their first day.

 

[mahermi1]

Whatever's generated goes straight to paying for the stadium, not additions to the team. This stadium wont short-cut us to the CL.

We need different owners to take us to the next level. Owners for whom money is not even an issue. All this malarkey about a facility-led recovery originated under the failed Wyness-Elstone-Kenwright period. It remains malarkey.

So where did the money come from all the players we bought this season, the high contracts for Grealish, Branthwaite and Pickford ? The owners that paid our debts off and took us on when no one else would or could, where were the Saudi's then ? If the extra revenue from the stadium pays for the stadium isn't that a good thing ? Because where else would we find the money, does that make it a virtually free stadium by you're reckoning Dave. Remember you can't just spend money without Commercial deals / European football otherwise you finish up with PSR problems and more points reductions. So is there a point in getting the Saudi's ?

 

[Jacko93]

I could be well off, but the club used to use Sodexo who'd rotate, largely retained staff between Goodison, Anfield, Aintree etc.

They've gone with Aramark UK for the new stadium, and it feels like every match day has a lot of people working their first day.

I think thats probably a fairly sensible assumption.