Relegation Thread 25-26

Bkk Andy said:
Doesn't he have the same number of relegations on his CV as Gana, Pickford, Dibling, McNeil and Tarkowski?

With all those relegation machines we must be doomed.
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Pickford and Dibling aside (obvious quality and completely new to the club respectively)

The rest have given it a pretty damn good go over the last few seasons to take us down.

Michael Keane is not a good player. Just because some other players are occasionally worse is not a good defence for him. If ‘yeah but Tarkwoski has been worse this season’ is the only comeback for him it’s not a ringing endorsement is it.

When Branthwaite plays we keep more clean sheets. When Keane plays we concede roughly two goals per game and lose a lot more.

We simply cannot go into next season with a first 11 that includes Michael Keane if we want to achieve anything.
 

Saint Domingo said:
Pickford and Dibling aside (obvious quality and completely new to the club respectively)

The rest have given it a pretty damn good go over the last few seasons to take us down.

Michael Keane is not a good player. Just because some other players are occasionally worse is not a good defence for him. If ‘yeah but Tarkwoski has been worse this season’ is the only comeback for him it’s not a ringing endorsement is it.

When Branthwaite plays we keep more clean sheets. When Keane plays we concede roughly two goals per game and lose a lot more.

We simply cannot go into next season with a first 11 that includes Michael Keane if we want to achieve anything.
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Agreed but it's not the same as being "a one man relegation machine". His record is no worse than a decent chunk of the squad.
 
kiss the crest said:
I will get slated for this, but I do stand by it, as long as Michael Keane is in our defence we will be in a relegation battle, he has it in his contract 🤣

we will always concead goals with him in defence as he creates uncertainty

I know he has done ok this season in games but he has also been out of position or lost his man aswell city away springs to mind.

we need Branthwaite back ASAP
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I don’t disagree with that part, but Keane has started every league match so far this year and we still have the 8th best defense in the Prem. That’s getting the job done well enough for me. There isn’t a goal we’ve conceded this year that immediately springs to mind where Keane was completely at fault like some in years past, although you’re right that Pickford or other defenders have gotten him out of jail a couple times.

Our real problem continues to be a complete inability to score.
 
Maybe I’m just scarred by the last 4 years but I’m still genuinely worried that we end up in another relegation scrap! We have 2 strikers who can’t score goals and 2 centre backs who are error prone, and 2 full backs who are possibly the worst full back pairing in the league. The 3 teams who came up are putting up more of a fight than in previous years.
 

Exeter_Gently said:
Lose tonight and everyone will start panicking.


Well...maybe not everyone.
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Exeter_Gently said:
Lose tonight and everyone will start panicking.


Well...maybe not everyone.
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I honestly dont think anyone (including the OP) believe we'll be relegated, because we obviously wont.

The thread IMO is created to underline how little we'll have progressed though if it is a constant feature this season and getting regular posts on the forum.

Useful in that sense. 🤷‍♂️
 
blueblood said:
Maybe I’m just scarred by the last 4 years but I’m still genuinely worried that we end up in another relegation scrap! We have 2 strikers who can’t score goals and 2 centre backs who are error prone, and 2 full backs who are possibly the worst full back pairing in the league. The 3 teams who came up are putting up more of a fight than in previous years.
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Your last sentence is the only thing that is sowing a tiny seed of doubt for me. We’ve been saved a couple times recently not by any sort of quality on our part, but by the promoted teams being completely useless cannon fodder. That’s not the case this year. All three teams in the current bottom three are established PL sides. It’s hard to imagine them (particularly West Ham and Forest) being THAT bad for the entire season.
 
davek said:
I honestly dont think anyone (including the OP) believe we'll be relegated, because we obviously wont.

The thread IMO is created to underline how little we'll have progressed though if it is a constant feature this season and getting regular posts on the forum.

Useful in that sense. 🤷‍♂️
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Our lack of goal are concern for me.

If TFG are serious they need to be boxing off a forward in Jan to avoid any sort of squeaky bum in the 2nd half of the season.
 

Exeter_Gently said:
Lose tonight and everyone will start panicking.


Well...maybe not everyone.
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I don't think we will panic. I can't see Moyes taking us down. Lampard was a different story...

For me, tonight is more about the Moyes narrative. If he wins tonight, we go up to 11th or 12th after 10 games. He can claim "stability" and a modicum of progress. If we lose, then we're in the bottom six being shown up by a basket case club that came from a much lower base than we have ever plumbed. Moyes has nowhere to hide in that scenario and he really cannot point to "stability". At best, we're treading water. And that's being polite - because Sunderland should not be beating us and streaking clear of us in the CL places given where they have come from relative to us.

It's fine margins at the moment and the narrative in this league can change by the game. But 10 games in is a significant barometer as we have played more than a quarter of our games. The next two games will tells us what our horizons are for this season. Lose both and it is a relegation battle - though one we should still survive. But being in one is not really the kind of progressive stability the Moyes appointment was grounded in. In reality, I think Moyes is playing for a contract extension over the coming weeks. He has zero hope of getting one if we're losing the next two. But win both and he gives himself a chance to surprise. That WOULD be a form of stability that he could tout.
 
Drico said:
I don't think we will panic. I can't see Moyes taking us down. Lampard was a different story...

For me, tonight is more about the Moyes narrative. If he wins tonight, we go up to 11th or 12th after 10 games. He can claim "stability" and a modicum of progress. If we lose, then we're in the bottom six being shown up by a basket case club that came from a much lower base than we have ever plumbed. Moyes has nowhere to hide in that scenario and he really cannot point to "stability". At best, we're treading water. And that's being polite - because Sunderland should not be beating us and streaking clear of us in the CL places given where they have come from relative to us.

It's fine margins at the moment and the narrative in this league can change by the game. But 10 games in is a significant barometer as we have played more than a quarter of our games. The next two games will tells us what our horizons are for this season. Lose both and it is a relegation battle - though one we should still survive. But being in one is not really the kind of progressive stability the Moyes appointment was grounded in. In reality, I think Moyes is playing for a contract extension over the coming weeks. He has zero hope of getting one if we're losing the next two. But win both and he gives himself a chance to surprise. That WOULD be a form of stability that he could tout.
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TBF to Lampard he had a terrible team then. I think he would do much better now with our current team. But anyone would struggle with our strikers currently.
 
Exeter_Gently said:
Lose tonight and everyone will start panicking.


Well...maybe not everyone.
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Would be very frustrated as a defeat i would find hard to be poisitive about us getting top 10. Feel would be similar to last seasons finish, did have hope we would do more. Just really depends if the cf can take the chances we create have had them to take the first goal and mkssed them all
 

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