Connor mcloud
Player Valuation: £10m
Whats the average length an 80 min rugby game with clock getting stopped,
Under 90 mins I'd guess
Under 90 mins I'd guess
The clock is (theoretically at least) being stopped at the moment, we just don't see it. The idea is that you make the clock visible, so that each time the referee asks for the clock to be stopped we're aware of it and can see how long is left, rather than them just putting up a number at the end without anybody having any idea how they came to it. So basically you can take a goal kick as normal but at the point when the referee thinks you've taken too long they stop the clock and we all know it.
When talking about stoppage time it's imortant to quantify exactly what qualifies, eg with injuries which require treatment it's relatively simple to 'time' the stoppage.
'Time wasting' is impossible to police effectively.
If a team passes the ball around the defence how is it decided whether that is deliberate time wasting or genuinely looking for an opportunity to move forward? All very subjective.
To be honest, for me that just shows how easy it is to think the outcome you want is the 'right' outcome, because I think realistically the amount of additional time on top of the 8 was totally justified, it just seemed like it wasn't because we wanted the whistle to blow. In the allotted added time there was a goal, a sub, a player went down and needed treatment, there was a VAR check for a red card etc. Obviously under the current system none of us know exactly how much additional time that caused (which is why the rugby style clock would be better) but I don't think it's particularly unlikely that there genuinely was another 4 minutes to play.Other week v Brighton with us,8 minutes added on we scored in the 2nd minute of injury time,the clock was on 103 minutes when he blew,they always find a little extra when we are under the cosh I've noticed,time added on for corners,long throws,however when the boot is on the other foot the time added on is often halved or reduced considerably,no time given for a last Everton corner too,get that whistle blown ref or Dickie M will have a fit
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
Agree. I know there are obviously more subs in the second half of games (too many actually, but that’s a different debate), but nobody bats an eyelid at 1 minute of added time in the first half, and then 8 minutes in the second half. It’s definitely deliberate to add drama.
hallamblue
Player Valuation: £50m
Rugby is a bit different. They treat players on the pitch whilst play continues, and there are constant stoppages. Football is supposed to flow, and if they stopped the clock that would help. Of course, footballers would still lie down for 5 minutes trying to force a VAR penalty or disallowed goal because 95% of them are cheats. Personally I think if a player does this and nothing has happened they should be sent off, that might put a stop to it. We used to laugh at the South Americans, and now our league is as bad.
Seathestars
Player Valuation: £60m
Brothers and Sisters and I say this with respect, there is now way the premier league glitterati will allow changes.
It suits their cash cows the way it is now.
8 minutes yesterday from somewhere, but only 4 in the Derby.
It’s corrupt beyond belief
It suits their cash cows the way it is now.
8 minutes yesterday from somewhere, but only 4 in the Derby.
It’s corrupt beyond belief
But surely they would only stop the clock for the same reasons that some random bloke currently timing how long they are going to add on the end.
But with the clock stoppage it's clear to see for everyone what is classed as time to be added on rather than it being a made up mystery at the end of the game. Also the game ends on 90 minutes!!
A team passing the ball about in defence is playing football....that's never been added on for additional minutes. It's the rolling around on the floor, taking for ever to take a throw in or goal kick that is time wasting. I suspect with clock stoppage we would get less time added on and the general time wasting would be more effective.
I reckon at present there is alot of feeling for the 4th official that gets used. Eg the team is clearly taking ages over everything so where there is no way a clock would be stopped for a few seconds here and there, a 4th official would probably say after 10 mins of messing about right im going to add a minute on. The bloke lying on the floor injured for 2 to 3 mins is an easy one to cover with either clock stoppage or 4th official.
It's very tricky if you are not going down the route of stopping the clock every time the ball is put of play. If they did that I guess they would have to reduce the actual playing time.
ball doesnt go out as play as much in rugby
i think in football the game is in play for 55 mins on average
so we’re looking at an extra 35 mins of game time
which no one wants
you would then need more subs or whatever as the players are suddenly going to playing substantially more football than they usually do
if op is hinting that the additional time favours the big clubs currently, then 35 mins of extra game time massively will
i think what they could is the additional time could have stoppage, so if ball is out of play you pause it then, to make up that full 6 mins or whatever
time wasting could also get more severe punishments if that is what we’re looking to stamp out. for example if you time waste on a goal kick it beckmes a corner, if its a throw in it becomes a throw to opposition etc
theyre also barely running in all honesty
they just stand around and clinch each other
in footy the lads are actually goosed
Nobody is saying the ball has to actually be in play for 90 minutes, that isn't how it works in rugby either.
sorry i missed the bit regarding subs and injuries, that does make more sense
i honestly think a lot of the rules in sport need a real overhaul
cynical fouls on the half way line but essentially preventing a proper chance at goal and not actually trying to pay the ball only getting a yellow and a free kick miles from goal
essentially a worse foul than pushing a player in the box on a corner that the ball was going nowhere near, but you get a penalty for it . like the one on guehi the other day
time wasting only get a yellow card if that, send them off or reverse the ball to the other team and see how long that lasts
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