2025/26 David Moyes

[Marcus Kendall]

I get the point, people have been telling us to be patient and not expect too much for 30 years. Eventually that patience has to pay off. Kenwright told us for twenty years to be thankful for managed decline, Moshiri offered us the illusion of progress before the bubble burst and now under the Friedkins in our giant shiny new stadium we're again being told by posters on here that mid-table is the limit of our ambitions "for a few seasons".

I have no more patience. It's been long enough.

I get your frustration as I think we all feel the same hence why the Wolves defeat was so deflating. I just want us to be ran well as the Moshiri years have left a scar on me

 

[Dixieslaces]

I dont want to get involved in someone else's debate, but what is important in one persons life will differ from what is important in someone else's life.

You wouldn't have this forum without sport, their would be no Ale house section to free up your mind and happily chat about plenty of other important things in life without constant negativity banging at your head.

Playing/watching football/sport has been such a massive part of my life, not just on the field or in the stands, their is so much more to it that brings people together.

Tho growing up ive realised if it came down to it I would chose music over football and is a big statement.

But telling someone that sport isn't that important can only be an opinion of your own life..

Take away sport from your whole life up til now and see if you come back with the same outlook.

Great sentiment in this response, I am the same, I could never give up my music, it's never once let me down, whereas.......

I still bloody love Everton though!

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Not even 2 years ago we were getting points deductions and almost sold to a group that has just been done for mass fraud, we most likely wouldn't exist and certainly not in the form we currently know. Can't any of you just let this club kin rebuild for a year or two? We're slowly on the up you impatient children.

 

[windymiller]

Not even 2 years ago we were getting points deductions and almost sold to a group that has just been done for mass fraud, we most likely wouldn't exist and certainly not in the form we currently know. Can't any of you just let this club kin rebuild for a year or two? We're slowly on the up you impatient children.

30 years is how long we've been "rebuilding". A whole generation of Evertonians have never seen us win a raffle. In that time we've been in one FA cup final and finished 4th once. Damn right I'm impatient. You should be too.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

30 years is how long we've been "rebuilding". A whole generation of Evertonians have never seen us win a raffle. Damn right I'm impatient. You should be too.

And doing on the whole a rather bad job. The best was Moyes getting us close to challenging, and we held on 2 seasons too long with him then. I don't think we will make the same mistake again, Moyes will get us to Europe, have a pop at it and fail like he does, and we will appoint someone to take us to the next level. The entitlement people have, not just in football but all walks of life these days, is wild. Trust the process.

 

[windymiller]

And doing on the whole a rather bad job. The best was Moyes getting us close to challenging, and we held on 2 seasons too long with him then. I don't think we will make the same mistake again, Moyes will get us to Europe, have a pop at it and fail like he does, and we will appoint someone to take us to the next level. The entitlement people have, not just in football but all walks of life these days, is wild. Trust the process.

Yeah, but I don't. The process has failed over and over again. Nobody gets the benefit of the doubt from me any more. Get results or get out of the way. It's not entitlement because I don't expect it to happen, I'm just sick of pretending like just holding our water will pay off in the end. So far, the evidence strongly suggests that is not true. Criticising failure is reasonable and rational. Calling failure success is neither reasonable nor is it rational.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Yeah, but I don't. The process has failed over and over again. Nobody gets the benefit of the doubt from me any more. Get results or get out of the way. It's not entitlement because I don't expect it to happen, I'm just sick of pretending like just holding our water will pay off in the end. So far, the evidence strongly suggests that is not true. Criticising failure is reasonable and rational. Calling failure success is neither reasonable nor is it rational.

Holding the last 30 years over the current setup isn't rational.

 

[windymiller]

Holding the last 30 years over the current setup isn't rational.

What should I compare them with? Roma's progress? In the five years before TFG took them over Roma averaged 20.6 wins per season, in the five years since, they've averaged 18.4. Wobble in the noise? Maybe. The basis for uncritical support and faith in "the process"? Certainly not.

 

[Gilbert..]

30 years is how long we've been "rebuilding". A whole generation of Evertonians have never seen us win a raffle. In that time we've been in one FA cup final and finished 4th once. Damn right I'm impatient. You should be too.

I was 25 when we last won a trophy. It genuinely never crossed my mind at the time i might be dead the next time we won another.

 

[MikeH72]

30 years is how long we've been "rebuilding". A whole generation of Evertonians have never seen us win a raffle. In that time we've been in one FA cup final and finished 4th once. Damn right I'm impatient. You should be too.

It deffo isn’t at all like

 

[windymiller]

I was 25 when we last won a trophy. It genuinely never crossed my mind at the time i might be dead the next time we won another.

I was in my late teens. As I grew up we were one of the great clubs of Europe. It's been shysters and losers dressed up as winners ever since. It really shocks me how many people are seemingly cool with it.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I was in my late teens. As I grew up we were one of the great clubs of Europe. It's been shysters and losers dressed up as winners ever since. It really shocks me how many people are seemingly cool with it.

You are aware the football landscape has changed? Oil money, nation state ownership, 'Champions' League riches etc. If you look at it from that point of view then you'll see that winning things isn't as simple as being a once great club as we're at a disadvantage through the aforementioned circumstances

 

[windymiller]

It deffo isn’t at all like

Of course not, but that's been the narrative coming from the club that entire time. It's still the narrative, and maybe it's true, who knows? But I'm certainly not taking anyone's word for it any more. Actions not words. Outcomes not promises. Nobody will be happier than me, if it is true, but plenty of people on here told anyone with concerns about Moshiri that they should "trust the process" and that it was a "new Everton". Nothing has changed in that regard, let's hope that things progress according to the optimists expectations this time around.

 

[MikeH72]

Of course not, but that's been the narrative coming from the club that entire time. It's still the narrative, and maybe it's true, who knows? But I'm certainly not taking anyone's word for it any more. Actions not words. Outcomes not promises. Nobody will be happier than me, if it is true, but plenty of people on here told anyone with concerns about Moshiri that they should "trust the process" and that it was a "new Everton". Nothing has changed in that regard, let's hope that things progress according to the optimists expectations this time around.

The past 5 years we’ve been bumbling along from season to season appointing firefighters to preserve our Premier League status because a clown nearly put us out of business. We aren’t going to go from a base line of the floor, to winning trophies overnight, I’m sorry it just doesn’t work like that. I’m confused as to what you actually seem to be demanding this season.

 

[Lanolin]

Time for a preemptive strike!

Pep: “The league is the most important title. It is the one that shows how good you have been every three days, for ten months.”

Sir Alex: “The league is your bread and butter.”

Carlo: “Winning the league shows balance, character, and the ability to overcome difficulties week after week.”

Arsene: “The championship is the true test of the team’s consistency, quality, and spirit. Cups can be a little bit of a lottery.”

Shanks: “The league is our bread and butter. It is the real test of a football team’s worth.”

Sir Matt: “To be the best, you have to prove it over time — week in, week out. That’s what the league is for.”

Howard: “The league title was the one that mattered most — because you’ve earned it over nine months.”

Moyesy: “You can have great nights in cups, but the league table shows where you really are.”

I think everybody agrees that winning the league is harder/more impressive than winning a cup, which is what all of those quotes are about. That doesn’t really have any relevance to whether winning a cup is better than finishing 11th.