Yeah, same
Yeah, same
Who does he manage ?
That's a hell of a leap again, considering the balanced post you are referring to
They said if they changed, they would be fine with it. They say in the same post they think he has done well, so a long way away from somebody wanting him to lose
This stuff is ridiculous hyperbole
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
The whole "wanting us to lose" schtick is the most absurd on this forum. Every time anybody criticises a manager, any manager, this tired nonsense is trotted out. With the exception of Dave wanting us to lose against the RS's title rivals, nobody has ever wanted us to lose. In fact, when dimwits like the one you responded to are asked to back up their accusations they can never do it. It's a bizarre reaction to even moderate criticism of a manager.
They are a bit old now - time has moved on a young pair like them - yes please ......Baines and Coleman say hi.
I think Moyes knows, judging how these 2 played under him.
st.domingo
Player Valuation: £10m
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £20m
Surely it depends who we are changing to and why?
Well yes. I imagine if we are changing to Ken Dodd and it's because Moyes killed his dog, then people won't be okay with it
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
I remember endless debates with my mates circa 2010/2011 ish on a lot of the stuff that is in this thread
Essentially, the way I look at it, the last time Moyes was here he built the club up from a very low base and then had us consistently in the top 7ish places, when he had a wage budget about the 11th biggest in the league and was on very much a sell to buy transfer budget.
To me, he overachieved and he consistently overachieved which led to everything he did being taken for granted and some fairly unrealistic expectations about how we should be progressing further with a budget which wasn't even a top half budget.
I didn't want him to leave, but it felt like he'd been here so long that a lot of people were simply tired of the status quo and wanted to roll the dice. That rolling of the dice pretty much worked out how I'd expected it might at the time.
He joined us in a remarkably similar low ebb, yet this time we are led to believe the budget is going to be more like top 7/8ish budget
I genuinely couldn't care less about him having negative mindsets in certain games or not trusting kids or having his favourites or any of the other subjective stuff that was being argued 15 years ago and is still being argued today. All I care about is whether he's at least performing in line with what his budget is (because we've pretty much underperformed on that metric in every season since he left barring the one immediately after he left).
Don't care - argue as much as you like over the stuff that doesn't matter and we can debate the merits or otherwise of tactics, signings, etc etc but all I care about is Everton winning games and the rest of it is just peripheral discussion points.
Essentially, the way I look at it, the last time Moyes was here he built the club up from a very low base and then had us consistently in the top 7ish places, when he had a wage budget about the 11th biggest in the league and was on very much a sell to buy transfer budget.
To me, he overachieved and he consistently overachieved which led to everything he did being taken for granted and some fairly unrealistic expectations about how we should be progressing further with a budget which wasn't even a top half budget.
I didn't want him to leave, but it felt like he'd been here so long that a lot of people were simply tired of the status quo and wanted to roll the dice. That rolling of the dice pretty much worked out how I'd expected it might at the time.
He joined us in a remarkably similar low ebb, yet this time we are led to believe the budget is going to be more like top 7/8ish budget
I genuinely couldn't care less about him having negative mindsets in certain games or not trusting kids or having his favourites or any of the other subjective stuff that was being argued 15 years ago and is still being argued today. All I care about is whether he's at least performing in line with what his budget is (because we've pretty much underperformed on that metric in every season since he left barring the one immediately after he left).
Don't care - argue as much as you like over the stuff that doesn't matter and we can debate the merits or otherwise of tactics, signings, etc etc but all I care about is Everton winning games and the rest of it is just peripheral discussion points.
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £50m
Yeah, let’s throw out all the good work since he came in to take a punt on an unproven manager. What could possibly go wrong?
And a manager can’t wave a magic wand and make players faster - you need to sign faster players! It is going to take several windows to develop the squad and has to be done in phases.
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £50m
Aaron Cresswell was on of the most productive players in Europe under Moyes a few seasons ago.Baines and Coleman say hi
I think Moyes knows, judging how these 2 played under him.
Let's see we are before the January transfer window - very uninspiring signings so far bar one plus the needed form of Michael Keane ....
Gilbert..
Player Valuation: £50m
Id say two. Grealish and dewsbury hall. Three if you want to be generous with the permanent signing of Alcaraz.
Flicking through this thread i picked up you said he'd spent a fair chunk of money. The prem has changed. Brentford payed 30m for igor thiago last year and 42m for quattara. Bournemouth payed 40m for evanilson in 2024. We're not even competing in the transfer market with teams that are challenging the top 4/6.
Saying that. 40 odd million on Barry Aznou right now doesnt look money well spent on positions that needed addressing. Dibling im happy to wait.
It is still about where you are and finish in the table though. We're currently level with chelsea who've spent about a billion on players in the last 2 years.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
That's fair. The question then, I suppose, is regarding time. For example if our wage budget next season is the 7th highest in the league and we spend similar sums on transfer fees that we paid out this summer, would 7th be the minimum expectation for the 26/27 season, or, as many others have suggested (@JobForTheMoyes , for example) will it take several years worth of transfer windows to get us to that level, and would that be justifiable regardless of spend (fees and/or wages)?
I personally think we will finish around 12th this year (I don't think this squad is as good as some people do, and I don't think Moyes is as good as others do) and if Moyes gets us top half then that would be a decent achievement for a first full season. If we then add a striker, some functional full backs and a replacement for Gueye, and in doing so raised our wage budget to the aforementioned 7th highest in the league, then European football would be the minimum requirement of any manager, imo. I also don't think our new owners would consider multiple seasons in mid-table to be a good return on their investment.
Nonsense.
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