Bad ref decisions - for and against - season 2025/26

Marc bolan said:
Just read a piece on BBC sports why the ref booked KDH apparently when a player is down on the ground injured
JACK then taking a quick free kick is deemed unsportsmanlike and therefore a booking ????????
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Apparently it's not even in the rules to be able to book a player for taking a quick free kick but as you point out it can be a yellow card if it is unsportsmanlike but then how can you be punished for that when it's your own player down injured.
 


Lanolin said:
Sorry you’re still not getting it. What I’m saying you’re ignoring isn’t the decision, it’s the fact you don’t remember it! That is the point in a nutshell, you don’t remember the decisions that go for us but do remember the ones that don’t. That is quite literally the entire point being made and yet you’re just skirting round it saying you understand but it’s wrong, even though you’re proving it right just by saying it.
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Jesus man, I understand your point, we see the game as Everton fans

Are you disagreeing that overall, the major decisions that have occurred in games have gone more against us than for us this season?


There was big media debate about the Leeds pen with most people saying they don’t want pens given for that

There was a bit of debate about the Brighton pen given and then not given with most people saying that felt unlucky to get one and not the other

There has been lots of debate about this booking for a free kick being wrong and that there was clearly more added time with everyone agreeing with us

So if you’re saying the refs reckon they messed up in our favour against wolves that makes it 3-1 against us from non blue tinted spec sources - do you disagree?
 
Lanolin said:
Yeah thats a slightly different argument. The yellow for the free kick and the amount of added time today were a joke, I have no doubt at all that that wasn’t coincidental. I was replying specifically to a point about us not getting stuff in our favour in general, it’s just natural that we’ll see borderline decisions against us as unfair and worthy of noting down but borderline decisions for us as ‘right’ and therefore quickly forgotten.
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I don't believe there is any conspiracy against Everton, broadly speaking decisions even themselves out other than towards RS, too a lesser extent Arsenal, Chelsea and United. Problem with VAR is there's too many inconsistencies in decisions. We may get a dodgy decision on our behalf or against us, against Wolves. But they're honest mistakes or incompetence. Mistakes are 1 thing corruption is another.
 
Shibbywiggles said:
Jesus man, I understand your point, we see the game as Everton fans

Are you disagreeing that overall, the major decisions that have occurred in games have gone more against us than for us this season?


There was big media debate about the Leeds pen with most people saying they don’t want pens given for that

There was a bit of debate about the Brighton pen given and then not given with most people saying that felt unlucky to get one and not the other

There has been lots of debate about this booking for a free kick being wrong and that there was clearly more added time with everyone agreeing with us

So if you’re saying the refs reckon they messed up in our favour against wolves that makes it 3-1 against us from non blue tinted spec sources - do you disagree?
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I really don’t think you do mate, because you’re still framing it in a way that doesn’t tie in with it at all.

Personally I don’t think any of the 3 penalty decisions we’re discussing were massive deals. I probably wouldn’t have given any of them but I also don’t think giving any of them would be outrageous. They’re basically just marginal calls which you see go both ways. Two against and one for at this point would seem fairly in keeping with the idea of things evening out over a season I’d have thought (obviously common sense tells you this doesn’t mean they will be EXACTLY even, it’s a turn of phrase not a calculation).

I wouldn’t count the 2 from yesterday at all, I thought both of those calls were mad but they’re not big ticket decisions and feed into exactly the type of thing I’ve been talking about. Is it possible someone’s been booked against us this season who shouldn’t have been? Yes, very definitely, I would have no recollection of it because why would I? So counting things like that would be stupid. Same with added time, I genuinely laughed when the board went up yesterday it just seemed so ridiculous, but I haven’t really got any idea whether the amount of added time in our other games has been ‘fair’ so they can’t be counted. The fact you are counting them once again just shows how trying to keep a tally is massively biased. You’re quite adamant that you get that, but keep doing it anyway, which is odd.
 
Lanolin said:
I really don’t think you do mate, because you’re still framing it in a way that doesn’t tie in with it at all.

Personally I don’t think any of the 3 penalty decisions we’re discussing were massive deals. I probably wouldn’t have given any of them but I also don’t think giving any of them would be outrageous. They’re basically just marginal calls which you see go both ways. Two against and one for at this point would seem fairly in keeping with the idea of things evening out over a season I’d have thought (obviously common sense tells you this doesn’t mean they will be EXACTLY even, it’s a turn of phrase not a calculation).

I wouldn’t count the 2 from yesterday at all, I thought both of those calls were mad but they’re not big ticket decisions and feed into exactly the type of thing I’ve been talking about. Is it possible someone’s been booked against us this season who shouldn’t have been? Yes, very definitely, I would have no recollection of it because why would I? So counting things like that would be stupid. Same with added time, I genuinely laughed when the board went up yesterday it just seemed so ridiculous, but I haven’t really got any idea whether the amount of added time in our other games has been ‘fair’ so they can’t be counted. The fact you are counting them once again just shows how trying to keep a tally is massively biased. You’re quite adamant that you get that, but keep doing it anyway, which is odd.
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I understand your point about bias. Evertonians cant keep an accurate tally about Everton related things without being pro Everton.

You don’t seem to understand my point that I am counting what the media has spoken about to remove the element of bias. The Leeds pen and the refereeing yesterday have been big talking points and overall and almost everyone neutral has sided with us. The Brighton and Wolves games were less talked about in the media.


I don’t think there’s a conspiracy. I don’t think anyone has it out for us. But I think we’ve been hard done by this season and I think that is the case without bias.

This doesn’t mean I don’t understand your point, it means that I think that with all the options to watch, rewatch, analyse and read opinions on football nowadays, people can be more informed rather than the blue tinted specs we watch the game with because on that front I agree and me and my dad have given referees dogs abuse and then seen replays after games and gone ‘oh yeah he was right there’.


Also you said marginal penalty calls were currently two against us and one for us, being fairly even, but it’s three against and one for because it’s Tarkowski, Minteh and Dewsbury-Hall against us - which I agree are all marginal, and I would say none should have been given personally but if you give KDH you have to give Minteh 5 mins later.

I also strongly disagree with you that the referee constantly stopping us getting the ball moving again, booking KDH for attempting to do so, allowing time to be wasted with the ball out of play but then not adding on this time that HE wasted was not a ‘big ticket decision’. That second half is the best I’ve seen us play at Anfield and we felt a lot more likely than them to get a goal but we had less time than we should’ve been allowed to have… I think that’s just as big a deal as a missed corner or free kick which can go either way sometimes.
 

The three minutes added on time was one of the most preposterous things I've ever seen to be honest. I've seen us get screwed in all manner of ways against Liverpool but that genuinely took the proverbial in ways little else has.

I genuinely try and not get wound up about referees. I think it's incredibly cringey when people do and usually nothing more than deflection at your own teams shortcomings.

However, it's impossible to look past completely blatant evidence when there is one rule for one and one for another. Every single time Liverpool have been chasing a goal this season the referees have basically kept play going until they score.

It was absolutely outrageous.
 
Lanolin said:
Personally I don’t think any of the 3 penalty decisions we’re discussing were massive deals. I probably wouldn’t have given any of them but I also don’t think giving any of them would be outrageous. They’re basically just marginal calls which you see go both ways.

Same with added time, I genuinely laughed when the board went up yesterday it just seemed so ridiculous, but I haven’t really got any idea whether the amount of added time in our other games has been ‘fair’ so they can’t be counted.
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You make good point here. But it's part of the problem. Because they're marginal and can go either way, Var can manipulate the game in a very inconspicuous way. Var is very inconsistent but by and large they go in favour of the 'big 6' teams.

Same can be said with added time. I have no idea how the time is calculated. It's only in the last say 4-5 years that 5+ minutes has been the norm. Was there ever a public announcement that they'd be stricter with time added on? It always used to be 1-4 minutes with 5+ being a rarity. It's seemed to happen by stealth. Now it's regularly 5+. Do we ever get a break down of how it's calculated? I dont think we will ever get that. It's just another way to inconspicuously manipulate the game for a certain result. Yesterday there were 6 subs and a goal. That's 3.5minutes minimum (30 seconds for a goal seems too sort too), but are they also adding on time wasting taking throw in, goal kicks etc? Are they adding on time for bookings? I don't have a clue.
 
sbbefc said:
You make good point here. But it's part of the problem. Because they're marginal and can go either way, Var can manipulate the game in a very inconspicuous way. Var is very inconsistent but by and large they go in favour of the 'big 6' teams.

Same can be said with added time. I have no idea how the time is calculated. It's only in the last say 4-5 years that 5+ minutes has been the norm. Was there ever a public announcement that they'd be stricter with time added on? It always used to be 1-4 minutes with 5+ being a rarity. It's seemed to happen by stealth. Now it's regularly 5+. Do we ever get a break down of how it's calculated? I dont think we will ever get that. It's just another way to inconspicuously manipulate the game for a certain result. Yesterday there were 6 subs and a goal. That's 3.5minutes minimum (30 seconds for a goal seems too sort too), but are they also adding on time wasting taking throw in, goal kicks etc? Are they adding on time for bookings? I don't have a clue.
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True, and there's absolutely no reason why they can't stop the ref's clock or have it visible for all to see during the match so that the added time isn't some mysterious number at the end of the 90 which is plucked out a rabbit's arse by Paul 'kin Daniels.
 

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